I'm hearing of more and more LDS people getting involved in this kind of thing...

[Portland Ute]

Mostly women.

In fact, my sister in law is, after a few hours of training is doing this and charging $100 per 50 minute session.

Thoughts?

http://www.calycohealing.com/groupphonesessions/

[The Fourth Nephite]

Mostly women.

In fact, my sister in law is, after a few hours of training, doing this and charging $100 per 50 minute session.

Thoughts?

http://www.calycohealing.com/groupphonesessions/

I think it's nutty. But it might help a little due to the power of positive thinking. Like a placebo effect.

Still nutty, though.

[Portland Ute]

I think it's nutty. But it might help a little due to the power of positive thinking. Like a placebo effect.

Still nutty, though.

Did you look through the website?

The more I scan through it and listen to the audio clips...wow.

I think there might be some kernel of truth or, as you put it, placebo.

However, this lady and other LDS, my Sister in Law included, are trying to tie this to LDS doctrine....and then charging $100 per hour to "heal" people.

This particular lady, who mentored my SIL, has an audio clip where she claims that she does "generation clearing" that clears all the negativity in your "energy DNA" not only from YOU but vertically throughout all generations past and future and laterally to siblings, etc.

She claims that she prayed to know that this was in harmony with her beliefs.

I think the only "belief" with which it is in harmony is the belief that people will pay anything when they are desperate if they think it will help them. Throw in a bit of religions and Voila! Scam.

Now, this is only one of the "modalities" that people are using to do "energy healing". It just happens to be the one that my SIL has been trained extensively ( an entire 12 hours) to do.

I just keep hearing more and more of this kind of thing going on.

The combo of the claims, the fees charged and the mixing with religion doesn't sit quite right with me.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Did you look through the website?

The more I scan through it and listen to the audio clips...wow.

I think there might be some kernel of truth or, as you put it, placebo.

However, this lady and other LDS, my Sister in Law included, are trying to tie this to LDS doctrine....and then charging $100 per hour to "heal" people.

This particular lady, who mentored my SIL, has an audio clip where she claims that she does "generation clearing" that clears all the negativity in your "energy DNA" not only from YOU but vertically throughout all generations past and future and laterally to siblings, etc.

She claims that she prayed to know that this was in harmony with her beliefs.

I think the only "belief" with which it is in harmony is the belief that people will pay anything when they are desperate if they think it will help them. Throw in a bit of religions and Voila! Scam.

Now, this is only one of the "modalities" that people are using to do "energy healing". It just happens to be the one that my SIL has been trained extensively ( an entire 12 hours) to do.

I just keep hearing more and more of this kind of thing going on.

The combo of the claims, the fees charged and the mixing with religion doesn't sit quite right with me.

After reading your brief synopsis, I think I will avoid clicking on the link. I don't want my head to explode this morning

[BlueHair]

I think it's nutty. But it might help a little due to the power of positive thinking. Like a placebo effect.

Still nutty, though.

I don't thinking it's any more nutty than religious healings. Most religions have some sort of healing that relies on energy or priesthood or some other invisible God-force to make people well. In almost every case, the sick person needs to believe or it doesn't work. It could be that the power to heal is within yourself and you just need someone else to move you in the right direction.

This isn't meant to be an endorsement of this method or a knock against religious healing. I just think they are pretty similar. The human mind and spirit can do amazing things when focused.

[CardiacCoug]

I don't thinking it's any more nutty than religious healings. Most religions have some sort of healing that relies on energy or priesthood or some other invisible God-force to make people well. In almost every case, the sick person needs to believe or it doesn't work. It could be that the power to heal is within yourself and you just need someone else to move you in the right direction.

This isn't meant to be an endorsement of this method or a knock against religious healing. I just think they are pretty similar. The human mind and spirit can do amazing things when focused.

I agree with this to a degree.

In a way, I think the Church could have a problem with this type of stuff. It basically amounts to members of the Church charging money to offer healing services based on another religion.

[BlueHair]

I agree with this to a degree.

In a way, I think the Church could have a problem with this type of stuff. It basically amounts to members of the Church charging money to offer healing services based on another religion.

I'm sure they will have a problem. It would be hard for a member to explain why they are doing this if they believe in the priesthood.

[Portland Ute]

I don't thinking it's any more nutty than religious healings. Most religions have some sort of healing that relies on energy or priesthood or some other invisible God-force to make people well. In almost every case, the sick person needs to believe or it doesn't work. It could be that the power to heal is within yourself and you just need someone else to move you in the right direction.

This isn't meant to be an endorsement of this method or a knock against religious healing. I just think they are pretty similar. The human mind and spirit can do amazing things when focused.

I don't disagree with your first paragraph.

The issues I see are the following:

1) It's LDS people that are doing this. This seems to be seen as an "alternative" to LDS doctrine/healing.

2) There seems to be a real... underground... of this amongst women. Women healing women. I don't have an issue with this necessarily, either. However, when it's being used BYU LDS women as an alternative to traditional LDS blessings of health as a way for the girls to help out the girls without involving men (the traditional way), I think the LDS church might have issues with it.

3) These people seem to be promoting this by saying they've prayed about it and received confirmation that this in line with LDS doctrine. I don't think it is. You can argue about who is right and who is wrong, but they do not align.

4) They are charging big money. $100 per hour energy session is the norm. After two 6 hour "training sessions" for a total of 12 hours. I have a problem with amateurs charging that type of money on the ill-founded claims that they will "clear" your problems. Not just health and mental problems, but....financial. They actually claim that they can clear your energy and money will flow to you.

[ERCougar]

My unsolicited 2 cents:
From perusing the website, it sounds like she's taking some Eastern ideas beyond their scope. Western medicine is very good at Band-Aid solutions to problems that come up. They're scientifically testable and they fit in well with our culture. Eastern medicine is very good at what I'll call holistic medicine, the kind of healing that comes from addressing lifestyle issues--diet, body awareness, mindfulness, spirituality (not the "read your scriptures more" kind), etc.--that form the foundations of health and help prevent problems from popping up. These kinds of things are very difficult to test or prove scientifically, but are passed down between generations in cultures more prone to respect "the traditions of their fathers".

Problems arise when people when people try to use one approach in an area something the other is much better suited for. You don't see a herbologist to treat your cancer. Likewise, western physicians suck at prevention , partially out of lack of knowledge/experience, partially out of our culture deeming it inappropriate for "scientists" to approach soft issues. We're getting better at it, but we'll never reach the level of eastern medicine in this regard. Ideally, people should approach each aspect of their life in an appropriate manner.

So...this lady may not be a bad resource to consider to evaluate a person's overall health, but she better not be replacing a physician.

Also--the claim that these services are directed by "the Spirit" strikes awfully close to the BOM definition of priestcraft for me. Doesn't make it wrong, but I'm wondering how she (whom I assume is a believer) justifies it.

[CardiacCoug]

4) They are charging big money. $100 per hour energy session is the norm. After two 6 hour "training sessions" for a total of 12 hours. I have a problem with amateurs charging that type of money on the ill-founded claims that they will "clear" your problems. Not just health and mental problems, but....financial. They actually claim that they can clear your energy and money will flow to you.

This is the part that is unethical to me.

Best case scenario: people who do this are simply taking money from healthy people with plenty of money to waste.

Worst case scenario: they are taking money from truly sick, desperate people with limited financial resources. So there are obviously some significant moral and ethical implications with this stuff.

[Moliere]

I agree with this to a degree.

In a way, I think the Church could have a problem with this type of stuff. It basically amounts to members of the Church charging money to offer healing services based on another religion.

Charging money for priesthood services pretty much amounts to priestcraft. I think the church would clamp down on that if it happened. Looks like these women found a loophole.

[Viking]

Do the women heal each other by the laying on of hands? If so, it sounds AWESOME.

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[Portland Ute]

This is the part that is unethical to me.

Best case scenario: people who do this are simply taking money from healthy people with plenty of money to waste.

Worst case scenario: they are taking money from truly sick, desperate people with limited financial resources. So there are obviously some significant moral and ethical implications with this stuff.

From what I have seen/heard via my wife and others is that most fall into the latter category. Also, the claims that "clearing" will allow money to flow to you is preposterous. This also takes advantage of people that are in financial distress. It all seems very unseemly.

They seem to have taken some kernels of truth (positive thinking/energy) and really turned it into a scam. They draw close to the concepts with their lips, but their hearts are far from them.

Either way, it "feels" an awful lot like fraud. It also seems like other scams that swirl around the Mormon culture that make the claim, "I'm LDS so..."

[Portland Ute]

Charging money for priesthood services pretty much amounts to priestcraft. I think the church would clamp down on that if it happened. Looks like these women found a loophole.

I agree. Again, I'm not really wanting to get into a discussion here about whether or not women should have the priesthood or whether or not the Priesthood can perform miracles.

The issue seems to be that people WITHIN the church and apparent believers/apologists are going outside of the Priesthood and women are healing mostly other women while charging large sums of money.

Quite honestly, my wife and I were discussing this as she thinks "It's fine...it's all in harmony with the Church." She's not getting into it like her sister, but she doesn't see the logical problems with this and the doctrines/procedures of the LDS church.

I'm in the camp that this should be troubling to a devout LDS person. Women healing women. Charging money for it. Claiming that they can clear your energy and money will flow to you. Saying they can, essentially, redeem generations:

"When you release a generational issue, it clears backward through the lineage to the original ancestor; sideways to siblings and cousins; and forward to your children, grandchildren and future posterity. We are literally pulling that flawed thread out of the tapestry of the entire family tree."

- Carolyn Cooper"

It's really incongruous with LDS doctrines. I think is a nut. I believe in the power of positive thinking and positive energy. However, this takes that and gets really, really, really, weird...especially in context of LDS belief.

[Shaka]

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