Exaggerating LDS/BYU cultural problems in PAC 10

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  • oxcoug
    Dolphins Rape Hipsters
    • Dec 2009
    • 5309

    #1

    Exaggerating LDS/BYU cultural problems in PAC 10

    First a disclaimer: I'm not saying there isn't a cultural problem for BYU in the PAC 10. There is. No doubt. But I regularly see it getting blown up into something way more fundamental than it is.

    My brother - a social conservative on everything from gay marriage to abortion and a committed supply sider on economic issues - spent eight years in Berkeley completing his Phd in Political Science. A big part of the reason he spent eight years instead of six or seven is because he loved it so much and had such a positive experience. He and his wife had three kids while at Berkeley and were pregnant with the fourth. They lived in a development surrounded by non-LDS Berkleyites many of which are still close friends. And they enjoyed a strong LDS community as well.

    There they were, right in the alleged heart of PAC 10 academic and cultural snobbery, Mormons pro-creating like Mormons do, for eight years. And they found nothing but warm friendships which have lasted. Meanwhile my brother excelled under the tutelage of the late-great Berkeley political thinker Nelson Polsby and he moved on from there.

    That was Berkeley. The LDS community and presence in PA, Menlo Park and the area (where Mormon developers own huge amounts of property and are well known) is much larger.

    Obviously my brother's experience is anecdotal. But it sheds light on some of the popular misconceptions about hostility to LDS in PAC 10 country. Again - that's not to say it doesn't exist. It does and there's plenty of it.

    But unlike Big XII country, almost everyone who grows up in California knows Mormons. Same is largely true of most areas of WA, OR and Arizona. Knowing people of a given background as human beings tends to be the best antidote to hard prejudice, which means that Mormons at least have an anchor in PAC 10 country in this: More LDS in California than in all of the Big XII states combined. Factor AZ, OR and WA and you end up with a PAC 10 LDS population that would guarantee sizable road attendance for BYU games.

    Having said all of this - I don't really buy that we're going to the PAC 10 or the Big XII. But I don't get it when people say that they think the Big XII is a better fit. On top of everything else - I much prefer the hostility of rational secularists to the hostility of born again fundamentalists. At least the secularists don't think we're going to hell.

    [Hope it's not a CUF sin to repost junk from Cougarboard]
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  • YOhio
    Hipster Mode
    • Nov 2008
    • 26165

    #2
    I bet your brother had a beard when he was at Berkeley. It seems like academics have a hard time trusting a clean-shaven man. If BYU dropped the facial hair restriction we would be in the PAC-10 in no time.

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    • HuskyFreeNorthwest
      Time to camp
      • Nov 2008
      • 26082

      #3
      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
      I bet your brother had a beard when he was at Berkeley. It seems like academics have a hard time trusting a clean-shaven man. If BYU dropped the facial hair restriction we would be in the PAC-10 in no time.
      People with beards are better than people without, that is just science.
      Get confident, stupid
      -landpoke

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      • Commando
        Explosivo
        • Feb 2009
        • 20748

        #4
        Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
        People with beards are better than people without, that is just science.
        +1.
        "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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        • woot
          Resident Science Cop
          • Nov 2008
          • 5531

          #5
          Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
          People with beards are better than people without, that is just science.
          This is true; I've performed the experiments myself.

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          • DU Ute
            RIP CUF
            • Dec 2008
            • 7393

            #6
            Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
            People with beards are better than people without, that is just science.
            History confirms this:

            Hammurabi


            Abe Lincoln


            Lorenzo Snow


            Kenny Rogers


            Two thirds of ZZ Top


            Kimbo Slice
            "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
            "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
            "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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            • hostile
              lollygagger
              • Dec 2009
              • 5736

              #7
              Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
              First a disclaimer: I'm not saying there isn't a cultural problem for BYU in the PAC 10. There is. No doubt. But I regularly see it getting blown up into something way more fundamental than it is.

              My brother - a social conservative on everything from gay marriage to abortion and a committed supply sider on economic issues - spent eight years in Berkeley completing his Phd in Political Science. A big part of the reason he spent eight years instead of six or seven is because he loved it so much and had such a positive experience. He and his wife had three kids while at Berkeley and were pregnant with the fourth. They lived in a development surrounded by non-LDS Berkleyites many of which are still close friends. And they enjoyed a strong LDS community as well.

              There they were, right in the alleged heart of PAC 10 academic and cultural snobbery, Mormons pro-creating like Mormons do, for eight years. And they found nothing but warm friendships which have lasted. Meanwhile my brother excelled under the tutelage of the late-great Berkeley political thinker Nelson Polsby and he moved on from there.

              That was Berkeley. The LDS community and presence in PA, Menlo Park and the area (where Mormon developers own huge amounts of property and are well known) is much larger.

              Obviously my brother's experience is anecdotal. But it sheds light on some of the popular misconceptions about hostility to LDS in PAC 10 country. Again - that's not to say it doesn't exist. It does and there's plenty of it.

              But unlike Big XII country, almost everyone who grows up in California knows Mormons. Same is largely true of most areas of WA, OR and Arizona. Knowing people of a given background as human beings tends to be the best antidote to hard prejudice, which means that Mormons at least have an anchor in PAC 10 country in this: More LDS in California than in all of the Big XII states combined. Factor AZ, OR and WA and you end up with a PAC 10 LDS population that would guarantee sizable road attendance for BYU games.

              Having said all of this - I don't really buy that we're going to the PAC 10 or the Big XII. But I don't get it when people say that they think the Big XII is a better fit. On top of everything else - I much prefer the hostility of rational secularists to the hostility of born again fundamentalists. At least the secularists don't think we're going to hell.

              [Hope it's not a CUF sin to repost junk from Cougarboard]
              Berkeley has had an active LDS as it's President.
              "You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."

              "Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."

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              • Rosebud
                sledgirl
                • Jun 2009
                • 1363

                #8
                Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                People with beards are better than people without, that is just science.

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                • happyone
                  Board Bookworm
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 5398

                  #9
                  I just wish I could grow a decent one. I try every couple of years and end up shaving it off after about 3 weeks

                  I may be small, but I'm slow.

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                  • DU Ute
                    RIP CUF
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 7393

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                    Sorry, my examples were a little one sided. Here you go:

                    Salma Hayek
                    Last edited by DU Ute; 02-20-2010, 06:27 PM.
                    "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
                    "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
                    "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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