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  • shoganai
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 513

    #1

    Problems with how my ward collects fast offerings...

    I have a calling with the young men in my ward.

    As a little background, I live in one of the "expanding" areas of Utah in a subdivision that's about five years old, and isn't completely built out yet. That means the following things:

    a. There is constant change. Aside from the steady stream of new move-ins - member and non-member - the ward recently split, and new homes and streets are being completed all the time. There's also a fair amount of move-outs. It's a real struggle to get to know people in the ward since nobody has been settled in very long.

    b. The ward is extremely young. The bishop is in his mid-30s and one of his counselors is about a decade younger. The primary is massive. There are about half a dozen boys in the deacons quorum on an average week. There are roughly 2-3 active teachers, and virtually no active priests.

    c. There is a slightly higher percentage of non-members in the neighborhood than is typical for the region as a whole.

    Now, I have two real issues with how the bishop has directed the Aaronic priesthood to collect fast offerings.

    First of all, because there are only six or seven boys that are available on a given fast Sunday, the boys are asked to bring their dads along and go out knocking with them. Aside from taking a parent out of the home for an extra hour once a month, that's not such a big deal to me. But, inevitably, one or more of the boys doesn't have an available Dad. In that case, they're paired up with a young mens leader. That means a leader and a boy on their own, often in a car. No, it's not the end of the world, but it does seem like a clear violation of church policy, and very unprudent in this day and age.

    Second of all, the bishop has instructed the clerk to make a donation envelope for every lot in the subdivision, and for the YM to go to every single house in ward boundaries, whether they are members of record or not. The YM president said we're doing this because there might be members we "don't know about" yet or mistakes in records. I suppose that's possible, but really what has ended up happening is we're knocking on a lot of doors of non-members and asking them to donate to our church. As if all the other issues a non-member has to deal with in Mormon Central, USA weren't enough, they now have church representatives on their front doors once a month asking for money.

    Am I the only one who thinks that's a little inappropriate, and could do more harm than good?
  • Indy Coug
    Heartless Bastard
    • Dec 2008
    • 18747

    #2
    Sounds like this needs more discussion in PEC and ward council.
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    • falafel
      loves to talk on things
      • Mar 2009
      • 37933

      #3
      It seems like I was asked to take fast offerings to non-members in my ward as a young man. I think after one or two attempts everyone had identified the people who weren't interested and so we never went back.

      I don't envy your situation. I'm also in Young Mens. We have about 4 deacons, no teacher and no priests. Our ward isn't very big, though. We just barely started our fast offering program last week (before now we simply haven't had the personnel to do it). It is my sincere hope that I never have to actually do fast offerings again, aside form driving my son around in a few years.
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      • mUUser
        Giggity
        • Jul 2009
        • 1142

        #4
        Originally posted by shoganai View Post
        Second of all, the bishop has instructed the clerk to make a donation envelope for every lot in the subdivision, and for the YM to go to every single house in ward boundaries, whether they are members of record or not. The YM president said we're doing this because there might be members we "don't know about" yet or mistakes in records.

        Ludicrous. This is one case where I'd tell 'em to stick it. Leave those poor people alone already.

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        • Clark Addison
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 10301

          #5
          I don't have much of a problem with the first issue. Outside of Utah, you always need your father to go with you, because someone needs to drive. My father used to drive me when I was a kid, and we always have fathers drive kids in our ward. When I was in YM Presidencies, I drove kids a lot, and would always try to take two with me.

          On the second issue, I agree that it is no well thought out. If I were a father and were asked to visit everyone, I would skip the non-members. It's hard enough to go to the inactive members sometimes, let alone the non-members.

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          • SCcoug
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 7625

            #6
            Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
            I don't have much of a problem with the first issue. Outside of Utah, you always need your father to go with you, because someone needs to drive. My father used to drive me when I was a kid, and we always have fathers drive kids in our ward. When I was in YM Presidencies, I drove kids a lot, and would always try to take two with me.

            On the second issue, I agree that it is no well thought out. If I were a father and were asked to visit everyone, I would skip the non-members. It's hard enough to go to the inactive members sometimes, let alone the non-members.
            I agree with both points here. Growing up I hated collecting fast offerings always a pain to set up appointments then it takes out a good portion of a Saturday. Besides that I never understood why we had to do it since there is a FO line on the tithing slip and most people said ,"Oh we pay it with our tithing".

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            • creekster
              It is NOT a monkey!
              • Nov 2008
              • 22661

              #7
              I can understadn the desire to touch base with everyone in the ward boundaries of an new area, but i personally dont tlike the idea of making the deacons (wihtor without parents) do it. I think MP quorum leaders or membership clerks should be assigned this task and as part of the intro should ask if they mind occassional/monthly contact for fast offering donations.


              My youngest is a deacon and we have to drive him around to collect FOs. My wife usually does it, however.
              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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              • YOhio
                Hipster Mode
                • Nov 2008
                • 26165

                #8
                I had a love-hate relationship with fast offerings growing up. I hated that we had to do it, but I loved riding my bike with another kid in my quorum to the nearest gas station while we killed two hours by drinking sodas and playing video games.

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                • Solon
                  Lost in the flood
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 5747

                  #9
                  Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                  I had a love-hate relationship with fast offerings growing up. I hated that we had to do it, but I loved riding my bike with another kid in my quorum to the nearest gas station while we killed two hours by drinking sodas and playing video games.
                  And you wonder why hell awaits you.

                  I'm surprised at how many places have their young men go out and collect. This is (obviously) standard in Utah, but I hadn't encountered it in the other states I've lived in.
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                  • Indy Coug
                    Heartless Bastard
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 18747

                    #10
                    The collection of fast-offerings is an archaic practice that is no longer needed. The only reason why it's done is simply as a means of giving deacons something to help them understand about what a pain in the ass it is to serve, but you do it anyway.
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                    • Indy Coug
                      Heartless Bastard
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 18747

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Solon View Post
                      And you wonder why hell awaits you.

                      I'm surprised at how many places have their young men go out and collect. This is (obviously) standard in Utah, but I hadn't encountered it in the other states I've lived in.
                      They did it in Colorado, but probably because our ward boundaries were relatively small. Elsewhere I've lived outside of Utah, it hasn't been done.
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                      • il Padrino Ute
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19161

                        #12
                        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                        I had a love-hate relationship with fast offerings growing up. I hated that we had to do it, but I loved riding my bike with another kid in my quorum to the nearest gas station while we killed two hours by drinking sodas and playing video games.
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                        • Blueintheface
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 15382

                          #13
                          Originally posted by shoganai View Post
                          I have a calling with the young men in my ward.

                          As a little background, I live in one of the "expanding" areas of Utah in a subdivision that's about five years old, and isn't completely built out yet. That means the following things:

                          a. There is constant change. Aside from the steady stream of new move-ins - member and non-member - the ward recently split, and new homes and streets are being completed all the time. There's also a fair amount of move-outs. It's a real struggle to get to know people in the ward since nobody has been settled in very long.

                          b. The ward is extremely young. The bishop is in his mid-30s and one of his counselors is about a decade younger. The primary is massive. There are about half a dozen boys in the deacons quorum on an average week. There are roughly 2-3 active teachers, and virtually no active priests.

                          c. There is a slightly higher percentage of non-members in the neighborhood than is typical for the region as a whole.

                          Now, I have two real issues with how the bishop has directed the Aaronic priesthood to collect fast offerings.

                          First of all, because there are only six or seven boys that are available on a given fast Sunday, the boys are asked to bring their dads along and go out knocking with them. Aside from taking a parent out of the home for an extra hour once a month, that's not such a big deal to me. But, inevitably, one or more of the boys doesn't have an available Dad. In that case, they're paired up with a young mens leader. That means a leader and a boy on their own, often in a car. No, it's not the end of the world, but it does seem like a clear violation of church policy, and very unprudent in this day and age.

                          Second of all, the bishop has instructed the clerk to make a donation envelope for every lot in the subdivision, and for the YM to go to every single house in ward boundaries, whether they are members of record or not. The YM president said we're doing this because there might be members we "don't know about" yet or mistakes in records. I suppose that's possible, but really what has ended up happening is we're knocking on a lot of doors of non-members and asking them to donate to our church. As if all the other issues a non-member has to deal with in Mormon Central, USA weren't enough, they now have church representatives on their front doors once a month asking for money.

                          Am I the only one who thinks that's a little inappropriate, and could do more harm than good?
                          I think you're in my ward.
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                          • creekster
                            It is NOT a monkey!
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 22661

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Solon View Post
                            And you wonder why hell awaits you.

                            Actually, that little vignette will be actthree comic relief in the movie of Y's life.


                            I'm surprised at how many places have their young men go out and collect. This is (obviously) standard in Utah, but I hadn't encountered it in the other states I've lived in.
                            Our ward selects only a few friendly inactives or marginally actives along with a few very actives in order to let the boys have the experience but not to burden them (and their driving parents) with too much work or rancor on the sabbath.
                            PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Solon View Post
                              And you wonder why hell awaits you.
                              I'm at least TK (rr not l) material.

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