President Kimball on the 1978 revelation

[UtahDan]

As for deification of church leaders, IMO it is grossly unfair, without evidence to the contrary, to accuse the GAs of cultivating that view of themselves.

I hope you aren't putting those words in my mouth there, Pops.

[I.J. Reilly]

I hope you aren't putting those words in my mouth there, Pops.

I have this same hope.

[LA Ute]

I hope you aren't putting those words in my mouth there, Pops.

Look, you insolent little half-whelp, I was not talking about you putting words in your mouth!

But I will if you keep this up. Remember, I know things . . . .



EDIT: OK, here is what you said:

I think that some historically have really cultivated being placed on a pedestal, but there really seem to be many in the current crop who are actively resisting it.

Without denying what you say ('cause I don't know whether it's true or not) I do think we need a little evidence.

[Viking]

Does this bother any of you? I guess one could argue that revelation may come in different forms, but I would have thought that "I better do it because the John Bircher won't" would be an expression of revealed light and truth...

I want a full refund on all of my past tithing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Does this bother any of you? I guess one could argue that revelation may come in different forms, but I would have thought that "I better do it because the John Bircher won't" would be an expression of revealed light and truth...

I want a full refund on all of my past tithing.

Hey, what happened to your resolution? You off the wagon already?

Buck up, amigo. You can do it!

[LA Ute]

Does this bother any of you? I guess one could argue that revelation may come in different forms, but I would have thought that "I better do it because the John Bircher won't" would be an expression of revealed light and truth...

I want a full refund on all of my past tithing.

Here's the context-free quote:

Spencer Kimball told one interviewer before the change, "I don't know that I should be the one doing this, but if I don't, my successor [Ezra Taft Benson] won't."

You might be doing a little intepreting here.

[Viking]

Here's the context-free quote:

Spencer Kimball told one interviewer before the change, "I don't know that I should be the one doing this, but if I don't, my successor [Ezra Taft Benson] won't."

You might be doing a little intepreting here.

I don't know. Seems pretty obvious: this was more of a choice made by a man as opposed to something from the heavens. I'm sure the heavens approved, but...

[PaloAltoCougar]

Does this bother any of you? I guess one could argue that revelation may come in different forms, but I would have thought that "I better do it because the John Bircher won't" would be an expression of revealed light and truth...

I want a full refund on all of my past tithing.

It might bother me, if I had retained a Sunbeam's view of the prophet. But the scriptures are filled with examples of prophets wavering, questioning divine direction, and looking for an "out", followed by sucking it up and doing the right thing.

[Viking]

Hey, what happened to your resolution? You off the wagon already?

Buck up, amigo. You can do it!

Can't do it. News of the UT one and done brought me out. I can't wait. Like I said, any self respecting Texan BYU grad will wear burnt orange but hope that the victory isn't too dominant over the poor cougars.

I don't watch TV. I don't really do anything other than work. This is my guilty pleasure. Long two weeks in the market with Brazil down 15% in USD terms. I'm beat so I need the release valve

[LA Ute]

I don't know. Seems pretty obvious: this was more of a choice made by a man as opposed to something from the heavens. I'm sure the heavens approved, but...

Like I said below, you've got to read the book before you can make a statement like that, and when you do you will see how silly your statement looks. In fact, it's only about 20 pages in the book that covers this subject.

[Viking]

It might bother me, if I had retained a Sunbeam's view of the prophet. But the scriptures are filled with examples of prophets wavering, questioning divine direction, and looking for an "out", followed by sucking it up and doing the right thing.

What then, is the difference between Prophet and highly tenured church official who has become the CEO? I rather believe that the Sunbeam view of the Prophet is the reason 99% of mormons follow the prophet, don't you?

[Viking]

Like I said below, you've got to read the book before you can make a statement like that, and when you do you will see how silly your statement looks. In fact, it's only about 20 pages in the book that covers this subject.

I say silly things every day. Probably every hour. I'll read the book. But you better hope you're right or I will make a mockery of you.

[byu71]

What then, is the difference between Prophet and highly tenured church official who has become the CEO? I rather believe that the Sunbeam view of the Prophet is the reason 99% of mormons follow the prophet, don't you?

I follow the prophet because he is the best person to lead the church I belong to. That is a mature view, IMHO.

[LA Ute]

But you better hope you're right or I will make a mockery of you.

[Viking]

I follow the prophet because he is the best person to lead the church I belong to. That is a mature view, IMHO.

I can buy into that. But that stands in oppositon of how the Church sells itself. Believe me, I'm not a "hater". I prefer to think of myself as in the loyal opposition that seeks more rationale thinking like you just offered.