Women never say the prayers in General Conference?

[SeattleUte]

These really should all be compiled into one "scottie's problems with the LDS church" thread, for easier viewing.

How about a single thread, "Hidebound LDS Paternalism"?

[scottie]

Furthermore, you weren't asking, you merely used the guise of a question to bitch about something you were already damn sure about going in.

If it's true that they aren't allowed/have never been asked to pray in GC, how do you feel about that?

[SeattleUte]

Furthermore, you weren't asking, you merely used the guise of a question to bitch about something you were already damn sure about going in.

Burn him at the stake!!!

Indy, are you trying to change the character of the Foyer? If scottie's thread starters annoy you so much maybe you belong on another forum. Your intolerance is surprising given the history of this place. By the way, I don't think poeple come here for your terse orthodoxy.

Scottie may be engaging in an old lawyer's trick--you may be right that he's a lot more progressive in his thinking than his question would suggest--but your response is about the worst advocacy on behalf of the LDS church I could imagine.

[Indy Coug]

If it's true that they aren't allowed/have never been asked to pray in GC, how do you feel about that?

Completely indifferent. They haven't let me or anyone else I know pray in GC either. Is there a reason why the rank and file membership can't supplicate the heavens on behalf of the 13 million+, or by extension, the other nearly 7 billion people out there?

Maybe if the membership would respect the women who DO participate in GC more (like all the derisive comments you read here in the wake of their conference addresses), maybe the leadership would follow their lead.

[Tone Loc]

Indycoug is probably right about Scottie,

that he isnt really seeking knowledge here, but rather taking another shot at the Church. History is on his side.

Tripletdaddy, in his effort to be everything to everyone, just wants peace and harmony. So maybe in the future Indycoug, respond in a kinder fashion to avoid the wrath of the board defender of open-mindedness.

[Coach McGuirk]

but your response is about the worst advocacy on behalf of the LDS church I could imagine.

You need to loosen the chains on your imagination.

[SeattleUte]

Maybe if the membership would respect the women who DO participate in GC more (like all the derisive comments you read here in the wake of their conference addresses), maybe the leadership would follow their lead.

Maybe if the women who do participate weren't such Aunt Thomasins people would respect them more.

Can you elaborate on your argument that they can't let women pray because people may then spoil for a greater role for women? I thought that was an interesting point you made.

[byu71]

People shouldn't get to worked about about Indy's response. It is his style, he really doesn't mean anything by it other than there are a lot of things he is on a much higher plane than us.

Scheduling, the honor code, loyalty to coaches, are just a few of them understanding why women shouldn't pray in a big event.

[TripletDaddy]

I take it by the non-response that women do not offer prayers in GC? I honestly would have guessed otherwise.

That is interesting. Yet another LDS tidbit that in and of itself means nothing, yet is mildly uncomfortable, not explainable in the slightest, and could be easily rectified.

[creekster]

Burn him at the stake!!!

Indy, are you trying to change the character of the Foyer? If scottie's thread starters annoy you so much maybe you belong on another forum. Your intolerance is surprising given the history of this place. By the way, I don't think poeple come here for your terse orthodoxy.

Scottie may be engaging in an old lawyer's trick--you may be right that he's a lot more progressive in his thinking than his question would suggest--but your response is about the worst advocacy on behalf of the LDS church I could imagine.

THis is priceless. This forum has never been closely moderated nor have we ever attempoted to restrict ANYONE's opinion. For you to suggest Indy is trying to change anythign is amusing but inaccurate as threis nothing to cnahge. In general, all we have asked is that posters show respect for each other's beliefs and avoid unduly inflammatory commetns. Moreover, if his position is so laughably bad it will show in the respsonse of the membership.

To be honest, from my POV, I am more annoyed by scottie's use of expletives in responding than I am by Indy's approach. ALthough I must admit that I found the idea of you being required ot imagein ways to defend the LDS church strangely gratifying.

[LiveCoug]

I take it by the non-response that women do not offer prayers in GC? I honestly would have guessed otherwise.

That is interesting. Yet another LDS tidbit that in and of itself means nothing, yet is mildly uncomfortable, not explainable in the slightest, and could be easily rectified.

I can't point out specific times, and I may be wrong, but I sure seem to remember women praying at GC before.

[Indy Coug]

Can you elaborate on your argument that they can't let women pray because people may then spoil for a greater role for women? I thought that was an interesting point you made.

That's a complete misrepresentation of my "argument".

The point I'm making is that scottie will endeavor to frame any issue in such a way to take a shot at a shortcoming of the church. And if perchance someone was to provide evidence to the contrary about the GC Prayer Manifesto, this would simply be used in turn by scottie to spawn some new gripe because he's going to keep moving that target.

[TripletDaddy]

I can't point out specific times, and I may be wrong, but I sure seem to remember women praying at GC before.

Same. Although if not true, it is an interesting bit of LDS trivia.

I think the impassioned responses stem from embarrassment, truthfully. If women do not pray at GC, there doesn't seem to be a good reason.

[SeattleUte]

THis is priceless. This forum has never been closely moderated nor have we ever attempoted to restrict ANYONE's opinion. For you to suggest Indy is trying to change anythign is amusing but inaccurate as threis nothing to cnahge. In general, all we have asked is that posters show respect for each other's beliefs and avoid unduly inflammatory commetns. Moreover, if his position is so laughably bad it will show in the respsonse of the membership.

To be honest, from my POV, I am more annoyed by scottie's use of expletives in responding than I am by Indy's approach. ALthough I must admit that I found the idea of you being required ot imagein ways to defend the LDS church strangely gratifying.

Indy's expletive was more offensive than scottie's, especially since it came in a thread about LDS oppression of women:

Furthermore, you weren't asking, you merely used the guise of a question to bitch about something you were already damn sure about going in.

--Indy

Why were you only offended by scottie's?

[creekster]

This has to be somethig Grapevione would know off the top of his head.