This site confirms a theory of mine about Ute fans and BYU fans

[SeattleUte]

Ironically, BYU fans are more willing to mix it up, speak openly and brave frank dialogue about their team and their chuch. Ute fans, most of whom are LDS, must feel less safe, more androgynous in their relation to the LDS Church. Thus, they can't tolerate being Utes AND enduring criticism of the LDS Church, which often implicates BYU. When it comes to the LDS Church, there is not a more thin skinned bunch than you'll find on Utefans. Deep in their hearts they feel they are doing something disloyal to their faith, and they are extremely sensitive about cubbyholing that expression of indivduality. But you can't hate BYU and love the LDS Church. Therein lies the tension for many Ute fans and why they stay away from Cuf's free wheeling dialogues.

Just my 2 cents.

[DU Ute]

Sometimes you can be kind of retarded. I'm just saying.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Sometimes you can be kind of retarded. I'm just saying.

Shot birds flutter.

[Fiyero]

When it comes to the LDS Church, there is not a more thin skinned bunch than you'll find on Utefans. Deep in their hearts they feel they are doing something disloyal to their faith, and they are extremely sensitive about cubbyholing that expression of indivduality.

Utah wore JBW stickers on their Sugar Bowl helmets in honor of the late Joseph B. Wirthlin. Had you attended the game, you may have known that.

[SeattleUte]

Utah wore JBW stickers on their Sugar Bowl helmets in honor of the late Joseph B. Wirthlin. Had you attended the game, you may have known that.

This refrain is exhibit A in support of my thesis. Ute fans are always so quick to point out that near century old GA's are Ute alumni, as if they had a real option 80 years ago. There are very many more BYU alumni, including partuclarly among the younger and more active GA's. Two former BYU presidents are among the 12, and GA's comprise BYU's board of trustees. I'll stop there. Your effort to turn Utah into an LDS school is weak sauce and kind of sad.

[il Padrino Ute]

Ironically, BYU fans are more willing to mix it up, speak openly and brave frank dialogue about their team and their chuch. Ute fans, most of whom are LDS, must feel less safe, more androgynous in their relation to the LDS Church. Thus, they can't tolerate being Utes AND enduring criticism of the LDS Church, which often implicates BYU. When it comes to the LDS Church, there is not a more thin skinned bunch than you'll find on Utefans. Deep in their hearts they feel they are doing something disloyal to their faith, and they are extremely sensitive about cubbyholing that expression of indivduality. But you can't hate BYU and love the LDS Church. Therein lies the tension for many Ute fans and why they stay away from Cuf's free wheeling dialogues.

Just my 2 cents.

Speak for yourself, SU.

[SeattleUte]

Speak for yourself, SU.

I said just my 2 cents.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I think your thesis is valid on its face, SU.

[Moliere]

Ironically, BYU fans are more willing to mix it up, speak openly and brave frank dialogue about their team and their chuch. Ute fans, most of whom are LDS, must feel less safe, more androgynous in their relation to the LDS Church. Thus, they can't tolerate being Utes AND enduring criticism of the LDS Church, which often implicates BYU. When it comes to the LDS Church, there is not a more thin skinned bunch than you'll find on Utefans. Deep in their hearts they feel they are doing something disloyal to their faith, and they are extremely sensitive about cubbyholing that expression of indivduality. But you can't hate BYU and love the LDS Church. Therein lies the tension for many Ute fans and why they stay away from Cuf's free wheeling dialogues.

Just my 2 cents.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think SU just called the Ute fan base a bunch of sissies.

[il Padrino Ute]

I said just my 2 cents.

It's your opinion that LDS Ute fans are that way; however, I'm requesting that you tell us how you resolve no longer being LDS and being a Ute fan.

[Fiyero]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think SU just called the Ute fan base a bunch of sissies.

Why shouldn't he, considering that he's not a part of it?

[SeattleUte]

It's your opinion that LDS Ute fans are that way; however, I'm requesting that you tell us how you resolve no longer being LDS and being a Ute fan.

What are you talking about? The U of U is Utah's great and spacioius building if there ever was one. It's a marvelous edifice to secularism and critcism and materialism and humanism. It's a metaphysical oasis. I'm perfectly at home in my Ute skin.

[TripletDaddy]

Why shouldn't he, considering that he's not a part of it?

I'm officially adding foyero to the list of UFN's Top 25 posters SeattleUte should not attack:

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BoylenOver
Foyero

[Fiyero]

Your theory is based on what you occasionally read on two message boards? That is your sample size of the entire U and Y alum bases? I'm suddenly reminded of Good Will Hunting:

Sean Maguire: If I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the pope, sexual orientations, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling; seen that.

I'd ask you about war, you'd probably throw Shakespeare at me, right, "once more unto the breach dear friends." But you've never been near one. You've never held your best friend's head in your lap, watch him gasp his last breath looking to you for help.

I don't see an intelligent, confident man... I see a cocky, scared shitless kid. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine, and you ripped my fucking life apart. You think I know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are, because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally... I don't give a shit about all that, because you know what, I can't learn anything from you, I can't read in some book.

[il Padrino Ute]

What are you talking about? The U of U is Utah's great and spacioius building if there ever was one. It's a marvelous edifice to secularism and critcism and materialism and humanism. It's a metaphysical oasis. I'm perfectly at home in my Ute skin.

And I'm perfectly comfortable being a Ute fan and devout Mormon. It's not that difficult to cheer for the Utes on Saturday and go to church on Sunday. One doesn't have to hate BYU to be a Ute fan.