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  • Donuthole
    Official Outgayer
    • Nov 2008
    • 25233

    #1

    For Those Who Served Missions in Less-Developed Countries

    Are you frequently (perhaps regularly is a better term) faced with the uncomfortable position of being petitioned for money by members/native companions/investigators from your mission?

    At least once or twice a year I get contacted by Elder "Equis" or Hermana "Igriega" or some other acquaintance from my mission who asks for financial help. In fact, only once have I been contacted by someone from my mission who didn't ultimately end up asking for money. Unfortunately, they usually have a Hollywood-influenced understanding of how money works here in the U.S., and some of them have expressed disappointment, frustration, and even anger when I can't (or won't) provide them with what they are asking (sometimes in excess of $1000).

    Just recently I was contacted by a young man who I baptized. He was 12 at the time, and while his mother ended up getting baptized a few months later, I always wondered if he wouldn't fall through the cracks and become one of the many inactives on the rolls of the church. Much to my surprise and pleasure, he has remained active, served a mission, and is planning to get married in the temple this coming December. He was contacting me to invite me to the wedding, and expressed what a great honor it would be to have me there. While I can't make the wedding (for both financial and timing reasons) I gave him my email, and we have stayed in contact over the past few weeks--me asking questions about members in the ward, him eagerly providing any info he could.

    Then last week he drops the bomb: he and his fiancee would be honored if I would "patrocinar" their honeymoon. That's right--sponsor. As in, "could you provide us with $750 so we can take a honeymoon on the coast." He was convinced that $750 was a drop in the bucket for an American, and was quite insulted when I told him I couldn't give him that amount of money, but that I would talk with my wife and see how much we could give.

    After discussing this with Mrs. Donut, we decided that we could give $100 to help them. (Note: $100 is the same amount I gave my younger siblings for their weddings, and 5 times as much as we usually give our friends who get married.) Upon relaying this to him, he was clearly put out, telling me that a single night on the hotel costs $80, and that he didn't know how he would come up with the rest of the money for the honeymoon. Rather than succumb to my instincts and send a harsh response (most of our communication has been via email since the initial contact), I waited a couple days until I had cooled down. I then replied that I wished I could send more, but that was all I could send, and to get me the information so I know where to send the money. That was 3 days ago, and I haven't heard back.

    This is only one of dozens of similar instances. Have any other here been faced with the dilemma of constantly being approached for money by their mission friends? If so, how have you dealt with it?
    Last edited by Donuthole; 10-05-2009, 03:28 PM.
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  • falafel
    loves to talk on things
    • Mar 2009
    • 37899

    #2
    Have you never taken the time to explain how much money that is in U.S. dollars? I would think you could get these people to go away by exaggerating a bit and saying that $750 is the cost of your monthly rent (back when you rented).
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

    Dig your own grave, and save!

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    • Donuthole
      Official Outgayer
      • Nov 2008
      • 25233

      #3
      Originally posted by falafel View Post
      Have you never taken the time to explain how much money that is in U.S. dollars? I would think you could get these people to go away by exaggerating a bit and saying that $750 is the cost of your monthly rent (back when you rented).
      I have tried that, but I have yet to find a way to get it to truly sink in. Even if I can get them to understand how much money that is, relatively speaking, they still seem to think we all have bank accounts full of money, and we should just pull some out for them.
      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

      There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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      • Commando
        Explosivo
        • Feb 2009
        • 20748

        #4
        heh-- a dude from my mission friended me on facebook and, when he found out I was a lawyer, asked if I could help him get to the United States so he could work (since work was reportedly scarce in Panama). I thought he was asking for advice on getting a visa (since I do immigration), but soon learned that to him, the visa was the easy part-- he just wanted some cash to get over. I basically laughed at his hinting, and he took it really cool. I would be surprised if someone got mad that I didn't give them free money.
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        • Surfah
          Where's Wallace?
          • Nov 2008
          • 33726

          #5
          I have never heard of such a thing. You must have made quite an impression on the people you served.

          You should just make stuff up. Or don't respond to begin with.

          My MP actually frowned on us for keeping much contact after the mission. I should clarify, it's not that he frowned upon it so much, it's just that so many missionaries made empty promises to members and investigators that it hurt the efforts of those left behind and called to serve there in the future, that he said it'd be better if we never made such promises to stay in touch, visit, etc.
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          • Donuthole
            Official Outgayer
            • Nov 2008
            • 25233

            #6
            Originally posted by Surfah View Post
            I have never heard of such a thing. You must have made quite an impression on the people you served.
            Maybe I just look like a sucker.
            Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

            There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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            • Coach McGuirk
              1
              • Nov 2008
              • 12109

              #7
              Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
              Maybe I just look like a sucker.

              I'll vouch for that.

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              • Surfah
                Where's Wallace?
                • Nov 2008
                • 33726

                #8
                Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                Maybe I just look like a sucker.
                Maybe you should just give him the money. You could be Orson Scott Card and this kid could be Dr. Rey 90210 someday.
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                • Maximus
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 6012

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                  I have never heard of such a thing. You must have made quite an impression on the people you served.

                  You should just make stuff up. Or don't respond to begin with.

                  My MP actually frowned on us for keeping much contact after the mission. I should clarify, it's not that he frowned upon it so much, it's just that so many missionaries made empty promises to members and investigators that it hurt the efforts of those left behind and called to serve there in the future, that he said it'd be better if we never made such promises to stay in touch, visit, etc.
                  That reminds me---I was in the Peru MTC and the MTC President forbade us from giving our emails to the Peruvian missionaries...when I say forbade, I mean the Peruvians would be sent home for breaching such a law. He was one of the strictest guys I have ever met (he yelled at South American missionaries if they were 10 minutes early to class instead of 15...)

                  Anyways, the reason is because one missionary gave his address to one South American missionary and one day he turned up at their door, asking to stay at their house as he was in the country illegally. He wouldnt leave, etc.

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                  • falafel
                    loves to talk on things
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 37899

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                    That reminds me---I was in the Peru MTC and the MTC President forbade us from giving our emails to the Peruvian missionaries...when I say forbade, I mean the Peruvians would be sent home for breaching such a law. He was one of the strictest guys I have ever met (he yelled at South American missionaries if they were 10 minutes early to class instead of 15...)

                    Anyways, the reason is because one missionary gave his address to one South American missionary and one day he turned up at their door, asking to stay at their house as he was in the country illegally. He wouldnt leave, etc.
                    Gave his address, or his email address? If it was his email, you've gotta let the guy stay.
                    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                    Dig your own grave, and save!

                    "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                    "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • Maximus
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 6012

                      #11
                      Originally posted by falafel View Post
                      Gave his address, or his email address? If it was his email, you've gotta let the guy stay.
                      It was email I believe. The Presidents worry was that email would lead to mail address eventually etc. But this President was so strict, I cant describe it...at least to the South Americans. he was normal strict with us. He would yell at them for anything.

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                      • wuapinmon
                        Soul Plumber
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 30711

                        #12
                        Well, I trust that everyone here will accept what I'm going to share as me commenting on the hard part of this issue, and not my bragging about helping people...I'm not trying to let me left hand know what the right's been up to.

                        Costa Rica is far more developed that Guatemala is. Our mission was crawling with Guatemalan missionaries--both elders and sisters. Depending on where you lived in the country (some places were twice as expensive to live) you got between $130-$200 per month for rent, food, laundry, transportation, sacrament bread, and phone calls (we almost never had a phone in house). Many of the Guatemalans were used to living on rice, beans, tortillas, and a little fruit & meat. Some of them could get by on about $30 a month + rent. We all had setups where we would pay someone, usually the family/old lady with whom we lived to cook all our meals for us, for a set price. Many times, the Guatemalan elders (especially the elders) would refuse to do this, buy their own food, and then eat like pájaros their entire mission. It was a rule that you were supposed to return any unused funds to the mission each month, but they wouldn't. These guys were saving between $70-$110 a month, which was more money in one month than some of them had ever seen at a time in their lives (I'm talking mostly about the bajitos from all the places that end in -nango). They would buy luxuries they could never afford, because post-mission, they were going back to their villages and towns and abject pvoerty. There was no PEF for them. Elder Joseph C. Muren of the Seventy came down one time, and really laid into the elders who were saving the money each month. I don't think it did much to lessen the practice, but it was very frustrating. Guatemalans were the worst ones for this....ticos, panas, and nicas didn't do it....we didn't have any hondureños, and the salvadoreños eran dos. Anyway, it was a constant source of friction on p-day, because the little dudes wouldn't want to go anywhere and do stuff.

                        Fast forward to about five years ago. My mission webpage at myfamily.com gets a post from one of the Guatemalan guys. He was a decent guy, not really guilty of what I just described above. He had been a taxi driver; he didn't qualify for the PEF because it only applies to post-1995 missionaries. He had a terrible wreck, was permanently dizzy, broke his back, crushed shoulder, couldn't drive anymore, lost the taxi. got moved out of their rented house for not paying the rent, kids couldn't afford to go to school. He asked if anyone would be willing to loan him the money to buy a pickup-truck (used $4000) so that he could get a job fixing things for the PFG of the Church. We thought it over, and agreed to all pitch in various amounts (one of our mission alums has tons of money and agreed to make up whatever the shortfall was, but the catch was that Jason had to get a loan and we would make the payments. We all agreed that whatever money he paid back would be donated anonymously to the PEF. He got the truck, started working, and then he died about two months later; apparently from his injuries from the taxi wreck (he never fully recovered). The bishops in Guatemala do not sustain lifestyle, only life, and so the family had to move around. Their family situation wasn't such that the widow could move in with family. The truck went back to the bank, and we all agreed to keep paying the money to her, directly. That money ran out eventually. She asked for cash to go to school to learn something appreciable, but her stories never really added up, and we cut her off. It was a terrible feeling, and I don't know that I'll ever get involved in something like that again.

                        What has gone well for me is that I hire church members when I go on trips with students to do things for me. We stop at one family's house and I pay them to cook a traditional Costa Rican feast. I pay one man $85 a day to drive us around in his car (I buy the fuel) and make it so I don't get lost looking for places. He stays with the cars for security. He's thrilled to get the work, and to go on vacation for a couple of weeks with us. It works far better than alms--not because I get something for my money, but because they feel like it's mutually beneficial.

                        Anyway, this is rambling. Sorry.
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                        • cowboy
                          Homer Weems
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 5740

                          #13
                          I've never had anyone call and ask for money, but I did have a couple of calls asking for other things. Shortly after I returned, the mother of a family we were working with in my last area called to see how I was doing. She said her daughter hadn't smiled since I left and that we would be a perfect match. I politely declined.
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                          • SoonerCoug
                            Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 4680

                            #14
                            Russians ask me for money ALL the time. I once gave a Russian family (with 4 kids) 1000 dollars for them to go to the temple in Sweden. Instead, they took the money and spent it on a nice new TV and VCR and a bit of home improvement.
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                            • Bucko
                              Hi Diddley Ho Neighborino
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 30

                              #15
                              Yes it has happened

                              A couple times. IN most cases after explaining to them the real value of what they are asking they get it. Other times I explain in terms of "It would take me X number of months to save up that kind of money . . and that usually works too.

                              Only a few times have I coughed up significant amounts, and in each of those cases, the families had moved to the US, and understood how much they were actually asking for. Twice I delivered the items they were wanting to buy with the money (and it was legitimate needs for the family), and once I loaned some money to a companion so he could start a business. He actually presented me with his business plan, and an itemized detail of what he wanted the money for.

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