Michael Moore is back at it

[RobinFinderson]

We've had at least three mentions of untruths in Moore's films with one person going so far as to call an untruth a "lie."

So what are the untruths? And especially, where is the "lie?"

[DU Ute]

I'll start counting, too. Let's get back together in a year and compare notes.

One

[TripletDaddy]

I think the righties can't make inroads in the world of documentary because most of the film industry leans very much to the left and finding proper funding to make a decent documentary is difficult for a conservative. (I never saw Farenhype 911, but my understanding is that it was fairly well made, but really ticked off the left, which is a good thing, IMO.)

lol. epu, are you suggesting that the right can't get a movie funded? Corporate freaking america? Big oil? Big tobacco? You don't think the NRA could have put together the money for a response piece to Bowling for Columbine?

There is a reason why far-right docs don't get made, but it has nothing to do with money.

[pellegrino]

I find it utterly discouraging how many people view Moore as a serious and fair documentary maker.

I find it utterly discouraging how many people think that documentaries are either supposed to be or are intended to be fair. Once you accept that all documentaries are biased representations of reality then problems with extremes melt away.

[JohnnyLingo]

I find it utterly discouraging how many people think that documentaries are either supposed to be or are intended to be fair. Once you accept that all documentaries are biased representations of reality then problems with extremes melt away.

They have the same problem news does: reported news cannot be entirely free of bias.

That doesn't mean we give in and say, "Oh well, might as well make this as slanted as I can."

Good journalists try to make their stories as fair as possible. Bad ones use their position to promote their own agenda, with no effort to even appear fair.

I refuse to accept the line of thinking that OF COURSE documentary films are hopelessly biased, so OF COURSE Moore lies and exaggerates and promotes his agenda; he can hardly do otherwise!

It's a copout.

[BlueHair]

Liberals are more fun to listen to. Seriously, would you rather spend time with Michael Moore and Bill Mahr or Rush and Hannity? I would rather shoot myself than spend 10 minutes with the conservatives.

[JohnnyLingo]

Liberals are more fun to listen to. Seriously, would you rather spend time with Michael Moore and Bill Mahr or Rush and Hannity? I would rather shoot myself than spend 10 minutes with the conservatives.

Are you intentionally being funny?

[BlueHair]

They have the same problem news does: reported news cannot be entirely free of bias.

That doesn't mean we give in and say, "Oh well, might as well make this as slanted as I can."

Good journalists try to make their stories as fair as possible. Bad ones use their position to promote their own agenda, with no effort to even appear fair.

I refuse to accept the line of thinking that OF COURSE documentary films are hopelessly biased, so OF COURSE Moore lies and exaggerates and promotes his agenda; he can hardly do otherwise!

It's a copout.

Moore isn't a journalist. He's a filmmaker.

[TripletDaddy]

They have the same problem news does: reported news cannot be entirely free of bias.

That doesn't mean we give in and say, "Oh well, might as well make this as slanted as I can."

Good journalists try to make their stories as fair as possible. Bad ones use their position to promote their own agenda, with no effort to even appear fair.

I refuse to accept the line of thinking that OF COURSE documentary films are hopelessly biased, so OF COURSE Moore lies and exaggerates and promotes his agenda; he can hardly do otherwise!

It's a copout.

You seem intent in showing your lack of eruditeness across all platforms....economics, politics, BYU quarterbacks....now filmmaking.

Thus far...smashing success!

[JohnnyLingo]

Moore isn't a journalist. He's a filmmaker.

A documentary filmmaker. From dictionary.com:

doc⋅u⋅men⋅ta⋅ry: based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi.

[Jarid in Cedar]

A documentary filmmaker. From dictionary.com:

doc⋅u⋅men⋅ta⋅ry: based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi.

Consider it a docudrama then.

[BlueHair]

Are you intentionally being funny?

100% serious. Maher and Moore are funny. Rush and Hannity are intolerable.

[BlueHair]

A documentary filmmaker. From dictionary.com:

doc⋅u⋅men⋅ta⋅ry: based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi.

Okay. So what was inaccurate? Remember, you are making the accusation, so the burden of proof is on you.

[JohnnyLingo]

100% serious. Maher and Moore are funny. Rush and Hannity are intolerable.

Because the latter two espouse a political philosophy that you disagree with.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Anyone who speaks on any issue think that they are the bringer of truth. What should he say "Gosh, this is just my opinion on this, I hope you like it"?

Actually, yeah.

My point, falafel, is that he has no obligation to state that he is presenting a film that is his opinion. He is presenting the world through his own eyes and biases. All productions, books, biographies, autobiographies are produced with the biases of those who are makign them. Truth is not the goal. making money or swaying others to your POV is the real purpose.