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  • Originally posted by John McClain View Post
    In college, I took a class on Dickens. We were required to read a Dickens novel a week; a near impossibility. It gave me some good insights on Dickens and his writing, but I did not enjoy the class. In recent years, I have reread some of his novels and find them much more palatable. By the way, if you want to read a tome, try the unabridged version of Les Miserables. I read it in French and it took me months, but what an interesting book.
    Sounds like a fun class I would take, granted I would want more than just a week to read a Dickens novel.

    Unabridged Les Miserables? I took a stab at it once. Once.
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    • Originally posted by John McClain View Post
      In college, I took a class on Dickens. We were required to read a Dickens novel a week; a near impossibility. It gave me some good insights on Dickens and his writing, but I did not enjoy the class. In recent years, I have reread some of his novels and find them much more palatable. By the way, if you want to read a tome, try the unabridged version of Les Miserables. I read it in French and it took me months, but what an interesting book.
      Yikes! What a horrible way to read Dickens. I think all those quirky characters and complex stories would just become a big jumble.

      Les Mis is on my list. I tried to read it in 8th grade for a book report but my teacher vetoed it. She was probably right.
      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
      ― W.H. Auden


      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


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      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        Many classics are classics because their very existence represents a heroic triumph. They stand for opposition to oppression. They represent truth in a way wholly apart from their literary merit.

        I have mixed feelings about this pheonomenon. Many Nobel Prizes for literature have been handed out on this basis alone.

        I don't know about Things Fall Apart's literary quality, but the factors I mentioned are a big part of its stature. If you or I wrote that book, it wouldn't be the same.
        Well put. I guess what I am trying to get at is if anyone really likes this book or if they think it is important? I read it, appreciated the fact that it is the locus classicus of West African literature, at least to American and European audiences, and was non-plussed. I would compare it to the poems of the early American settlers, which were not always the greatest quality but are held to representative of an entire emerging genre.

        I also wonder if Things Fall Apart has a way of crowifning out excellent African fiction as it is the "token" that we get from an entire continent. The thing I really did not like about it though is thatI think the context fo the book shoots over the head of many of the readers in that it is about the death of a lifestyle-but it lnds itself to the idea that Africa is monolithic (because it is the only African fiction many of its readers will ever read) and that it is antiquated and "savage".

        Perhaps I protest too much.

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        • Originally posted by John McClain View Post
          In college, I took a class on Dickens. We were required to read a Dickens novel a week; a near impossibility. It gave me some good insights on Dickens and his writing, but I did not enjoy the class. In recent years, I have reread some of his novels and find them much more palatable. By the way, if you want to read a tome, try the unabridged version of Les Miserables. I read it in French and it took me months, but what an interesting book.
          When I was a kid I got into the Beauty and the Beast show starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman as the beast. Anyway, I always thought it was cool how the beast would read Great Expectations and thought that book must be awesome because the beast reads it. I was disappointed when I finally got around to it.
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          • I remember talking with my father in the early to mid-90s about books. In addition to the WWII non-fiction I was reading, he thought I was reading some fiction that was low grade stuff. The only fiction he read were leather bound classics like Ulysses and Dickens. I was reading WWII fiction and "techno-thrillers" by Tom Clancy and Larry Bond. I also read Herman Wouk's Caine Mutiny, Winds of War, and War and Remembrance, and I told him once that I thought those books would be considered classics one day.

            A few years later, my father started reading some of the books he had considered low brow only a short time before. Now, he reads a lot of this popular fiction, including books I'm not sure even I would read (Vince Flynn?). Meanwhile, I have broadened my horizons to include more than just WWII non-fiction, but I still haven't picked up a leather bound classic.
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            • Originally posted by USS Utah View Post
              Meanwhile, I have broadened my horizons to include more than just WWII non-fiction, but I still haven't picked up a leather bound classic.
              Dickens is widely available in paperback, and a a lot cheaper that way.

              The trick to appreciating old Charles, IMO, is that you need to invest a little time and effort. With every one of his novels that I have read, once I am 50 pages in I am hooked. The Victorian writers are like that.

              I love me some Tom Clancy too, but I've read all of his stuff already.
              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
              ― W.H. Auden


              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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              • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                I love me some Tom Clancy too, but I've read all of his stuff already.
                All of Clancy's new material is available in video game form. You should check it out!
                Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                  All of Clancy's new material is available in video game form. You should check it out!
                  I like to read.
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • Every August I go to a bookstore hoping to see a new Clancy book, only to be disappointed.
                    Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
                    Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
                    Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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                    • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                      I like to read.
                      There are usually subtitles at the bottom of the screen.
                      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                      Dig your own grave, and save!

                      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                      "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                        There are usually subtitles at the bottom of the screen.
                        How big are the letters?
                        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                        ― W.H. Auden


                        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                        • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                          How big are the letters?
                          At least as large as the text in your large-print scriptures.
                          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                          Dig your own grave, and save!

                          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Originally posted by USS Utah View Post
                            Every August I go to a bookstore hoping to see a new Clancy book, only to be disappointed.
                            I share your disappointment. I recently reread The Sum of All Fears. Amazing how the movie they made had nothing to do with the novel. The novel was much better BTW.
                            Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
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                            • Originally posted by John McClain View Post
                              In college, I took a class on Dickens. We were required to read a Dickens novel a week; a near impossibility. It gave me some good insights on Dickens and his writing, but I did not enjoy the class. In recent years, I have reread some of his novels and find them much more palatable. By the way, if you want to read a tome, try the unabridged version of Les Miserables. I read it in French and it took me months, but what an interesting book.
                              Unabirdged Les Mis is my favorite book, but in English. I speak a little Frnch but not enough to enjoy Hugo.

                              DIckens is wonderful. I think Copperfield is my favorite but no one does characters like Dickens.
                              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                              • Here is Your War by Ernie Pyle.

                                "There are really two wars and they haven't much to do with each other. There is a war of maps and logistics, of campaigns, of balistics, armies, divisions and regiments -- and that is General Marshall's war.

                                "Then there is the war of homesick, weary, funny, violent, commen men who wash their socks in their helmets, complain about the food . . . and lug themselves and their spirit through as dirty a business as the world has ever seen and do it with humor and dignity and courage -- and that is Ernie Pyle's war. He knows it as well as any one and writes it better than anyone."

                                -- John Steinbeck about Pyle's book Here is Your War.

                                This is Pyle's first book based on his WWII newspaper columns. It covers the war in North Africa. Excellent.
                                Last edited by Flattop; 01-18-2010, 06:03 PM.
                                Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
                                Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
                                Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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