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  • Man in the high Castle: the spoiler thread

    I'm surprised no one has posted about The Man in the High Castle. I was unfamiliar with the book, but it's yet another big idea coming from Philip K. Dick that's been turned into something on screen -- only this time it's a TV show. Supposedly, there have been some wide divergences from the book. It was only 240 pages long, so that's understandable.

    But the alternate reality thing depicted by the films that are featured within the series was something depicted in the book. By the end of season 1, the writers spun this facet from the book into something that's, I believe, quite a bit different from the book.

    Read no further if you haven't watched season 1.

    The finale is crazy. Hitler himself is the one seeking after the films because they show him the future. It appears as if he can either change it or allow it to happen. They don't let you know how the films are made -- they're just there. The inflection point between the reality in the series and our reality is an assassination of FDR in 1933. America maintains an isolationist outlook through the early 1940s and the Nazis overrun the British and Soviets which then gives them time to develop atomic bombs by 1947. The atomic bombs are then used to subjugate the USA. I would imagine that the assassination of FDR in the alternate reality was inspired by Hitler's viewing of the film seen in the first episode of the series. It's not an accident that it happens in 1933 which is the same year that Hitler became chancellor of Germany.

    But the alternate reality thing isn't confined to the films being made by [whoever], the Japanese Trade minister finds himself in a non-alternate reality America during the last scene of the season (early 60s rock and roll, lack of Imperial Japanese presence in San Francisco). The show is pretty good about showing some of the results from this alternate reality inflection point beyond the obvious (like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan occupying different parts of the US). There's no rock and roll and the clothes, tv shows and movies don't line up with where we were in the early 60s. On the other hand, there are a couple positive things like the Germans producing kick ass passenger jets because they were able to keep all their rocket scientists together rather than having half of them shipped off to the US and the other half to the Soviets.

    This show was very good in parts and dragged in a couple spots. Overall, it's well worth watching. Given the events of the last episode, there's a certain Lost element to this show. Like Lost, I have no idea how they're going to resolve these rather large hanging questions left from the finale -- namely, who and how are the films made and what's up with two realities existing at the same time.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Use the spoiler button. Also, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed in the Netflix thread. Hence my "bump" of this thread last month.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
      Use the spoiler button. Also, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed in the Netflix thread. Hence my "bump" of this thread last month.
      The show's been out since 11/20, I don't do spoiler buttons when that's the case.
      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
        The show's been out since 11/20, I don't do spoiler buttons when that's the case.
        Show has been out a whole 25 days, huh? Surely everyone who is going to watch already has.
        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by falafel View Post
          Show has been out a whole 25 days, huh? Surely everyone who is going to watch already has.
          Let's suspend all discussion about Game of Thrones for 30 days after each episode.
          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
            Let's suspend all discussion about Game of Thrones for 30 days after each episode.
            Game of Thrones is a bad example. JL has banned people for failing to use spoiler tags when discussing that show.

            Also, you are discussing the finale of the first season less than one month after the full season was released.
            Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by falafel View Post
              Game of Thrones is a bad example. JL has banned people for failing to use spoiler tags when discussing that show.

              Also, you are discussing the finale of the first season less than one month after the full season was released.
              He's banned people for not using spoiler tags with stuff from the books -- not the TV show. And I doubt he's banned people for discussing something from an episode that premiered three and half weeks earlier.

              Everything has been online for 25 days. While I can understand a couple weeks with an online show -- it's been 25 days. No more spoiler tags. I'm protesting the assholes who scream for spoiler tags when they bother to wade into a thread when they haven't watched a show/movie after it's been out for plenty of time to have watched the show.
              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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              • #8
                I binge watched TMITHC last week. I though it was really well made, cool little details. I will definitely watch season 2, and I will even use spoiler tags!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                  He's banned people for not using spoiler tags with stuff from the books -- not the TV show. And I doubt he's banned people for discussing something from an episode that premiered three and half weeks earlier.

                  Everything has been online for 25 days. While I can understand a couple weeks with an online show -- it's been 25 days. No more spoiler tags. I'm protesting the assholes who scream for spoiler tags when they bother to wade into a thread when they haven't watched a show/movie after it's been out for plenty of time to have watched the show.
                  Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                  Dig your own grave, and save!

                  "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                  "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by falafel View Post
                    You're pretty much proving the reason why I protest spoiler tag assholes. Rather than just not reading a post that obviously discusses something that has been out for not 1, 2 or 3 hours, not 1, 2 or 3 days, not 1, 2 or even 3 weeks, but OVER 3 weeks, you just want people to cater to your assholery by using spoiler tags.

                    Bugger off.
                    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                      You're pretty much proving the reason why I protest spoiler tag assholes. Rather than just not reading a post that obviously discusses something that has been out for not 1, 2 or 3 hours, not 1, 2 or 3 days, not 1, 2 or even 3 weeks, but OVER 3 weeks, you just want people to cater to your assholery by using spoiler tags.

                      Bugger off.
                      I didn't read the spoilers.

                      You act like 3 weeks is a long period of time.
                      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                      Dig your own grave, and save!

                      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                      "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by falafel View Post
                        Game of Thrones is a bad example. JL has banned people for failing to use spoiler tags when discussing that show.

                        Also, you are discussing the finale of the first season less than one month after the full season was released.
                        Clarification: In the case of GoT, someone was posting spoilers of episodes that had not even aired yet, based on the book. Different situation.

                        I think when we have an entire thread dedicated to a series, there is no need to use spoiler tags. If you aren't current on the series, don't read the thread. Streaming series is kind of a different animal, but it seems like it would be kind of a PITA to have an entire thread filled with spoiler tags, no?

                        As for myself, I intend to not follow this thread (just skimming tonight) until I have watched the series. I hear it is pretty good.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                          You're pretty much proving the reason why I protest spoiler tag assholes. Rather than just not reading a post that obviously discusses something that has been out for not 1, 2 or 3 hours, not 1, 2 or 3 days, not 1, 2 or even 3 weeks, but OVER 3 weeks, you just want people to cater to your assholery by using spoiler tags.

                          Bugger off.
                          Amazon has not revealed if there will be a season 2, but let's hope so.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Topper View Post
                            Amazon has not revealed if there will be a season 2, but let's hope so.
                            I'm sure there will be.

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                            • #15
                              I guess I misunderstood the final scene of the show. I thought it signaled the end of the series, but maybe it's more science fiction than revisionist historical fiction.
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