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    Those of us who are of a certain age will appreciate this (click the link in the blue bar):

    [ame="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7421336n"]Don McLean: "American Troubadour" - CBS News Video[/ame]
    Last edited by LA Ute; 09-11-2012, 10:02 PM.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

  • #2
    Ha. LaU must of liked taking his Chevy to the levy, back in the day.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
      Ha. LaU must of liked taking his Chevy to the levy, back in the day.
      When I was a junior in high school that song was everywhere. Even then it sounded exotic because it was about Elvis, Dylan and the Beatles, who predated even me!

      McLean is a gifted songwriter and vocalist, and I've alway enjoyed the balladeers.
      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
      ― W.H. Auden


      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • #4
        Quick Memory: The first time I heard American Pie, I was in the 7th grade at Dixon Junior High at an after school sock hop. Yes... no shoes allowed. I was dancing with Heidi, and I later walked her home to Grandview Hill, and we kissed our first kisses, under a tree in her driveway. I then floated (walked) all the way home.

        Now that was a good day.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
          When I was a junior in high school that song was everywhere. Even then it sounded exotic because it was about Elvis, Dylan and the Beatles, who predated even me!

          McLean is a gifted songwriter and vocalist, and I've alway enjoyed the balladeers.
          Where did Katy's post go? I was going to give her an

          That was a song, my brother and sister use to play all the time - both in 8 track and on the Hi-Fi! I always thought the song was primarily about the death of Buddy Holly, Richie Vallen (sp?) and The Big Bopper (fantastic moniker). Isn't that specifically, "the day the music died"?

          I've always liked Vincent (Starry, Starry Night). The lyrics match perfectly with the slightly haunting tune.
          Last edited by Art Vandelay; 09-12-2012, 09:37 AM.

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          • #6
            Everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?
            Won't you tell me, what did I do to offend you?
            "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
            - Goatnapper'96

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
              Where did Katy's post go? I was going to give her an

              That was a song of my brother and sister use to play all the time - both in 8 track and on the Hi-Fi! I always thought the song was primarily about the death of Buddy Holly, Richie Vallen (sp?) and The Big Bopper (fantastic moniker). Isn't that specifically, "the day the music died"?

              I've always liked Vincent (Starry, Starry Night). The lyrics match perfectly with the slightly haunting tune.
              It's never been clear to me when exactly "the day the music died" was. I'm not sure McLean has ever said what he meant either.
              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
              ― W.H. Auden


              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                It's never been clear to me when exactly "the day the music died" was. I'm not sure McLean has ever said what he meant either.
                The Day the Music Died, dubbed by Don McLean's song "American Pie", was an aviation accident that occurred on February 3, 1959, near Clear Lake, Iowa, where rock and roll musicians Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson, as well as the pilot, Roger Peterson, perished...

                The first song to commemorate the musicians was "Three Stars" by Eddie Cochran. [1] The accident was later depicted in the 1972 Don McLean song "American Pie". The song dubbed it in popular culture as "The Day The Music Died",[22] which for McLean, symbolized the "loss of the innocence" of the early rock-and-roll generation.[23][1]
                [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died"]The Day the Music Died - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
                "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                - Goatnapper'96

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                  It's never been clear to me when exactly "the day the music died" was. I'm not sure McLean has ever said what he meant either.
                  If anyone else wrote this, I'd assume it was typical sarcasm, but coming from you, I'm not sure. I've always understood the day the music died was the day of the late '50s airplane crash in which Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and The Big Bopper perished.

                  I listened to the song for the first time, and thence many many times, in a crappy Vienna apartment in early '72 whilst on my mission. We listened to that album a LOT, along with other soft rock tunes (Beatles, Elton John, Cat Stevens, etc.) until July 1972 when our new mission president forbade all music other than MOTAB. Now THAT was the day the music died.

                  EDIT: Pelado beat me to it.

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                  • #10
                    Much time has been spent by fans trying to understand every arcane reference in the lyrics of “American Pie.” One of the song’s famous refrains speaks about “The day the music died,” an allusion to the 1959 plane crash that took the lives of Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and the Big Bopper. For McLean, that day symbolized a loss of innocence in the early rock and roll scene. He still bemoans the consequences of that loss.
                    http://web.archive.org/web/200806132...usicscene.html
                    "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                    - Goatnapper'96

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                      Where did Katy's post go? I was going to give her an

                      That was a song of my brother and sister use to play all the time - both in 8 track and on the Hi-Fi! I always thought the song was primarily about the death of Buddy Holly, Richie Vallen (sp?) and The Big Bopper (fantastic moniker). Isn't that specifically, "the day the music died"?

                      I've always liked Vincent (Starry, Starry Night). The lyrics match perfectly with the slightly haunting tune.
                      Yeah (katy) that's weird.

                      Yes, the day the music died was specifically the airplane crash of Buddy, and Richie. Here is a detailed account of the song.

                      "American Pie" By Don McLean


                      The entire song is a tribute to Buddy Holly and a commentary on how rock and roll music changed in the years since his death. McLean is lamenting the lack of "danceable" good time party music in rock and roll and (in part) attributing that lack to the absence of Buddy Holly et. al.

                      (Verse 1)

                      A long, long time ago...

                      "American Pie" reached #1 in the U.S. in 1972; the album containing it was released in 1971. Buddy Holly died in 1959.

                      I can still remember how That music used to make me smile. And I knew if I had my chance, That I could make those people dance, And maybe they'd be happy for a while.

                      One of early rock and roll's functions was to provide dance music for various social events. McLean recalls his desire to become a musician playing that sort of music.

                      But February made me shiver,

                      Buddy Holly died on February 3, 1959 in a plane crash in Iowa during a snowstorm.

                      With every paper I'd deliver,

                      Don McLean's only job before becoming a full-time singer-songwriter was being a paperboy.

                      Bad news on the doorstep... I couldn't take one more step. I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride

                      Holly's recent bride was pregnant when the crash took place; she had a miscarriage shortly afterward.

                      But something touched me deep inside, The day the music died.

                      The same plane crash that killed Buddy Holly also took the lives of Richie Valens ("La Bamba") and The Big Bopper ("Chantilly Lace"). Since all three were so prominent at the time, February 3, 1959 became known as "The Day The Music Died".

                      So...

                      (Refrain) Bye bye Miss American Pie,

                      Don McLean dated a Miss America candidate during the pageant.

                      Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry Them good ol' boys were drinkin whiskey and rye Singing "This'll be the day that I die, This'll be the day that I die."

                      One of Holly's hits was "That'll be the Day"; the chorus contains the line "That'll be the day that I die".

                      (Verse 2)

                      Did you write the book of love,

                      "The Book of Love" by the Monotones was a hit in 1958.

                      And do you have faith in God above, If the Bible tells you so?

                      There's also an old Sunday School song which goes: "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so"

                      Now do you believe in rock 'n roll?

                      The Lovin' Spoonful had a hit in 1965 with John Sebastian's "Do you Believe in Magic?". The song has the lines: "Do you believe in magic" and "It's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll."

                      Can music save your mortal soul? And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

                      Dancing slow was an important part of early rock and roll dance events -- but declined in importance through the 60's as things like psychedelia and the 10-minute guitar solo gained prominence.

                      Well I know you're in love with him 'Cause I saw you dancing in the gym

                      Back then, dancing was an expression of love, and carried a connotation of committment. Dance partners were not so readily exchanged as they would be later.

                      You both kicked off your shoes

                      A reference to the beloved "sock hop". (Street shoes tear up wooden basketball floors, so dancers had to take off their shoes.)

                      Man, I dig those rhythm 'n' blues

                      Some history. Before the popularity of rock and roll, music, like much else in the U. S., was highly segregated. The popular music of black performers for largely black audiences was called, first, "race music," later rhythm and blues. In the early 50s, as they were exposed to it through radio personalities such as Allan Freed, white teenagers began listening, too. Starting around 1954, a number of songs from the rhythm and blues charts began appearing on the overall popular charts as well, but usually in cover versions by established white artists, (e. g. "Shake Rattle and Roll", Joe Turner, covered by Bill Haley; "Sh-Boom", the Chords, covered by the Crew-Cuts; "Sincerely", the Moonglows, covered by the Mc Guire Sisters; Tweedle Dee, LaVerne Baker, covered by Georgia Gibbs). By 1955, some of the rhythm and blues artists, like Fats Domino and Little Richard were able to get records on the overall pop charts. In 1956 Sun records added elements of country and western to produce the kind of rock and roll tradition that produced Buddy Holly.

                      I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck With a pink carnation and a pickup truck

                      "A White Sport Coat (And a Pink Carnation)", was a hit for Marty Robbins in 1957. The pickup truck has endured as a symbol of sexual independence and potency, especially in a Texas context.

                      But I knew that I was out of luck The day the music died I started singing...

                      Refrain

                      (Verse 3)

                      Now for ten years we've been on our own

                      McLean was writing this song in the late 60's, about ten years after the crash.

                      And moss grows fat on a rolling stone

                      Rolling Stone Magazine

                      But that's not how it used to be When the jester sang for the King and Queen

                      The jester is Bob Dylan, as will become clear later. Elvis Presley is the king, which seems pretty obvious. The queen COULD be either Connie Francis, Little Richard, or someone else.

                      In a coat he borrowed from James Dean

                      In the movie "Rebel Without a Cause", James Dean has a red windbreaker that holds symbolic meaning throughout the film. In one particularly intense scene, Dean lends his coat to a guy who is shot and killed; Dean's father arrives, sees the coat on the dead man, thinks it's Dean, and loses it. On the cover of The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, Dylan is wearing just such as red windbreaker, and is posed in a street scene similar to one shown in a well-known picture of James Dean.

                      And a voice that came from you and me

                      Bob Dylan's roots are in American folk music, with people like Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie. Folk music is by definition the music of the masses, hence the "...came from you and me".

                      Oh, and while the King was looking down The jester stole his thorny crown

                      A reference to Elvis's decline and Dylan's ascendance. (i.e. Presley is looking down from a height as Dylan takes his place.) The thorny crown a reference to the price of fame. Dylan has said that he wanted to be as famous as Elvis, one of his early idols.

                      The courtroom was adjourned, No verdict was returned.

                      The trial of the Chicago Seven.

                      And while Lennon read a book on Marx,

                      Literally, John Lennon reading about Karl Marx; figuratively, the introduction of radical politics into the music of the Beatles. The "Marx-Lennon" wordplay has also been used by others, most notably the Firesign Theatre on the cover of their album How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All?

                      The quartet practiced in the park

                      The Beatles.

                      And we sang dirges in the dark

                      A reference to some of the new "art rock" groups which played long pieces not meant for dancing OR a reference to The Door's song "Light My Fire" which said "... a funeral pyer..." in one line.

                      The day the music died. We were singing...

                      Refrain

                      (Verse 4)

                      Helter Skelter in a summer swelter

                      "Helter Skelter" is a Beatles song which appears on the White album. Charles Manson, claiming to have been "inspired" by the song (through which he thought God and/or the devil were taking to him) led his followers in the Tate-LaBianca murders. "Summer swelter" a reference to the "long hot summer" of Watts.

                      The birds flew off with the fallout shelter Eight miles high and falling fast

                      The Byrd's "Eight Miles High" was on their late 1966 release "Fifth Dimension." It was one of the first records to be widely banned because of supposedly drug-oriented lyrics.

                      It landed foul on the grass

                      One of the Byrds was busted for possesion of marijuana.

                      The players tried for a forward pass

                      Obviously a football metaphor about the Rolling Stones, i.e. they were waiting for an opening which really didn't happen until the Beatles broke up.

                      With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

                      On July 29, 1966, Dylan crashed his Triumph motorcycle while riding near his home in Woodstock, New York. He spent nine months in seclusion while recuperating from the accident.

                      Now the halftime air was sweet perfume

                      This line and the next few refer to the 1968 Democratic National Convention. The "sweet perfume" is tear gas.

                      While sergeants played a marching tune

                      The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" music in general as "marching" because it's not music for dancing. But music with a message to which we march.

                      We all got up to dance Oh, but we never got the chance

                      The Beatles' 1966 Candlestick Park concert only lasted 35 minutes and there wasn't any music to dance to OR due to the break-up of The Beatles.

                      'Cause the players tried to take the field, The marching band refused to yield.

                      A reference to the dominance of the Beatles on the rock and roll scene. For instance, the Beach Boys released "Pet Sounds" in 1966 -- an album which featured some of the same sort of studio and electronic experimentation as "Sgt. Pepper" (1967) -- but the album sold poorly. It's a comment about how the dominance of the Beatles in the rock world led to more "pop art" music, leading in turn to a dearth of traditional rock and roll.

                      Do you recall what was revealed, The day the music died? We started singing

                      Refrain

                      (Verse 5)

                      And there we were all in one place

                      Woodstock.

                      A generation lost in space

                      A reference to the "famous" (and horrible) 60s TV "Lost In Space."

                      With no time left to start again

                      The "lost generation" spent too much time being stoned, and had wasted their lives.

                      So come on Jack be nimble Jack be quick

                      A reference to Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones; "Jumpin' Jack Flash" was released in May, 1968.

                      Jack Flash sat on a candlestick

                      The Stones' Candlestick park concert.

                      'Cause fire is the devil's only friend

                      The Stones song "Sympathy for the Devil."

                      And as I watched him on the stage My hands were clenched in fists of rage No angel born in hell Could break that satan's spell

                      While playing a concert at the Altamont Speedway in 1969, the Stones appointed members of the Hell's Angels to work security. In the darkness near the front of the stage, a young man named Meredith Hunter was beaten and stabbed to death -- by the Angels. Public outcry that the song "Sympathy for the Devil" had somehow incited the violence caused the Stones to drop the song from their show for the next six years.

                      And as the flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite

                      About Altamont, and in particular Mick Jagger's prancing and posing while it was happening. The sacrifice is Meredith Hunter, and the bonfires around the area provide the flames.

                      I saw satan laughing with delight

                      Satan would be Jagger.

                      The day the music died He was singing...

                      Refrain

                      (Verse 6)

                      I met a girl who sang the blues

                      Janis Joplin.

                      And I asked her for some happy news But she just smiled and turned away

                      Janis died of an accidental heroin overdose on October 4, 1970.

                      I went down to the sacred store Where I'd heard the music years before

                      The "sacred store" was Bill Graham's Fillmore West, one of the great rock and roll venues of all time.

                      But the man there said the music wouldn't play

                      Nobody is interested in hearing Buddy Holly et.al.'s music.

                      And in the streets the children screamed

                      "Flower children" being beaten by police and National Guard troops; in particular, perhaps, the People's Park riots in Berkeley in 1969 and 1970.

                      The lovers cried and the poets dreamed

                      The trend towards psychedelic music in the 60's.

                      But not a word was spoken, The church bells all were broken

                      The broken bells are the dead musicians: neither can produce any more music.

                      And the three men I admire most The Father Son and Holy Ghost

                      Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper, and Richie Valens.

                      They caught the last train for the coast

                      A way of saying that they had left the scene (or died -- "went west" as a synonym for dying).

                      The day the music died And they were singing...

                      Refrain (2x)
                      Last edited by clackamascoug; 09-12-2012, 09:43 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                        If anyone else wrote this, I'd assume it was typical sarcasm, but coming from you, I'm not sure. I've always understood the day the music died was the day of the late '50s airplane crash in which Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and The Big Bopper perished.

                        I listened to the song for the first time, and thence many many times, in a crappy Vienna apartment in early '72 whilst on my mission. We listened to that album a LOT, along with other soft rock tunes (Beatles, Elton John, Cat Stevens, etc.) until July 1972 when our new mission president forbade all music other than MOTAB. Now THAT was the day the music died.

                        EDIT: Pelado beat me to it.
                        That makes sense to me, but I had always understood that although many interpretations have been published (I heard a very detailed one during the first few weeks after the song came out), McLean himself has never said what the song means. Maybe I am wrong about that, but here's what The
                        World's Greatest Authority
                        says:

                        Don McLean wrote the song in Cold Spring, New York and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.[1][2] The song made its debut in Philadelphia, PA at Temple University[3] when he was opening for Laura Nyro on March 14, 1971.[1] The song is well known for its cryptic lyrics that have long been the subject of curiosity and speculation. Although McLean dedicated the American Pie album to Buddy Holly, none of the musicians in the plane crash are identified by name in the song itself. When asked what "American Pie" meant, McLean replied, "It means I never have to work again."[4] Later, he more seriously stated, "You will find many interpretations of my lyrics but none of them by me.... Sorry to leave you all on your own like this but long ago I realized that songwriters should make their statements and move on, maintaining a dignified silence."[5]

                        McLean has generally avoided responding to direct questions about the song lyrics, such as saying, "They’re beyond analysis. They’re poetry."[6] except to acknowledge that he did first learn about Buddy Holly's death while folding newspapers for his paper route on the morning of February 3, 1959, (the line "February made me shiver/with every paper I'd deliver"). He also stated in an editorial published on the 50th anniversary of the crash in 2009 that writing the first verse of the song exorcised his long-running grief over Holly's death.[7]
                        I once had the entire song memorized. It was part of my mission prep during my pre-mission summer.

                        This album (remember LPs?) sat proudly among my collection until one day when I left it in a hot automobile and it became a vinyl tortilla.

                        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                        ― W.H. Auden


                        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                        • #13
                          That was a good read, clack--thanks.

                          I too love starry starry night.
                          At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                          -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                          • #14
                            Ahem, I deleted my post because it was too ribald and I don't know LA Ute well enough to take those bawdy shots at his expense.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                              Ahem, I deleted my post because it was too ribald and I don't know LA Ute well enough to take those bawdy shots at his expense.
                              Usually that happens when I say something innocent but susceptible to a double entendre that I completely missed in my doddering state of mind. So thanks for sparing me.

                              (I'm actually pretty hard to offend.)
                              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                              ― W.H. Auden


                              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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