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  • MarkGrace
    Grooveshark dick tease
    • Dec 2008
    • 31546

    #1

    From the Totally Unsurprising and Completely Expected Files

    Benji Schwimmer is gay. He's also been known to fend off deadly street gangs by challenging them to a dance off.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.
  • beelzebabette
    Golf & Cubs Disrespecter
    • Nov 2008
    • 2907

    #2

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    • MarkGrace
      Grooveshark dick tease
      • Dec 2008
      • 31546

      #3
      Tell Perez Hilton he's late on his news.

      He apparently came out this weekend and talked about it for the first time publically in a recent interview with Mormon Stories. UtahDan finally gets to have his day for being up-to-date on some news and not behind it because of his obsession with all things Mormon.
      Last edited by MarkGrace; 06-05-2012, 02:19 PM.
      So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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      • beelzebabette
        Golf & Cubs Disrespecter
        • Nov 2008
        • 2907

        #4
        Waiting for "official" sources is no problem. Ignoring the SYTYCD thread... unforgiveable.

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        • MarkGrace
          Grooveshark dick tease
          • Dec 2008
          • 31546

          #5
          Just finished listening to the Benji MoSto podcast. Thing was seriously over 5 hours long. Anyway, I enjoyed it, even though it was kind of a heartbreakingg tale. I had no idea about this asterisk policy. Not a fan of that at all.
          So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69529

            #6
            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
            Just finished listening to the Benji MoSto podcast. Thing was seriously over 5 hours long. Anyway, I enjoyed it, even though it was kind of a heartbreakingg tale. I had no idea about this asterisk policy. Not a fan of that at all.
            What is the asterisk policy? I have seen them but I don't get it.
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • MarkGrace
              Grooveshark dick tease
              • Dec 2008
              • 31546

              #7
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              What is the asterisk policy? I have seen them but I don't get it.
              I only know what they explained, and it was just him and Dehlin talking so I don't know if they were getting everything right, but apparently Benji went through a disciplinary proceeding as part of dealing with his same-sex attraction. He ended up with an asterisk on his membership records denoting that he had been disfellowshipped. Apparently this is a normal thing and stays there throughout the disfellowship period and is removed once it is over. When he was close to finish his disfellowship period, he was called in by a member of his stake presidency and told that the church had a new policy whereby anyone who had such an asterisk due to involvement with same-sex activity would have to carry that on their records permanently and weren't allowed to ever serve in a calling with the youth. It wasn't exactly why he left the church, but he was clearly devastated by it.

              The stake president tried to explain the practical side of it and said the church was trying to protect itself because of recent high-profile and expensive lawsuits, but he had a really tough time dealing with it. And I don't blame him -- without any particular knowledge of what goes on here, I see no reason to belive that people with homosexual tendencies have any greater inclination toward pedophilia or related behavior than heterosexuals. Seems like pretty unfair treatment to me.
              Last edited by MarkGrace; 06-07-2012, 04:03 PM.
              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69529

                #8
                Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                I only know what they explained, and it was just him and Dehlin talking so I don't know if they were getting everything right, but apparently Benji went through a disciplinary proceeding as part of dealing with his same-sex attraction. He ended up with an asterisk on his membership records denoting that he had been disfellowshipped. Apparently this is a normal thing and stays there throughout the disfellowship period and is removed once it is over. When he was close to finish his disfellowship period, he was called in by a member of his stake presidency and told that the church had a new policy whereby anyone who had such an asterisk due to involvement with same-sex activity would have to carry that on their records permanently and weren't allowed to ever serve in a calling with the youth. It wasn't exactly why he left the church, but he was clearly devastated by it.

                The stake president tried to explain the practical side of it and said the church was trying to protect itself because of recent high-profile and expensive lawsuits, but he had a really tough time dealing with it. And I don't blame him -- without any particular knowledge of what goes on here, I see no reason to belive that people with homosexual tendencies have any greater inclination toward pedophilia or related behavior than heterosexuals. Seems like pretty unfair treatment to me.
                Yikes. What a stupid and harmful policy.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • Moliere
                  One man.....one pie
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 27820

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Yikes. What a stupid and harmful policy.
                  Well, the alternative is to have all the young men turn gay, and we don't want that do we? It would kill the child replacement rate
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • Pelado
                    Bald not naked
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 21101

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                    Well, the alternative is to have all the young men turn gay, and we don't want that do we? It would kill the child replacement rate
                    Just because they turn gay doesn't mean they can't reproduce.
                    "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
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                    • Color Me Badd Fan
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 12519

                      #11
                      Would you guys feel okay with some random dude called by the ward as YW leader camping with the girls at girls camp? I don't think most heterosexual men are pedophiles, but I sure as hell am not comfortable with it. I don't think most teenage boys are pedophiles, but I will never hire some 14 year old boy to babysit my two little girls.
                      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                      • smokymountainrain
                        Impressive Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22593

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Yikes. What a stupid and harmful policy.
                        I guess you could make an argument it would be stupid and harmful policy if it exists, but wouldn't it be prudent to get a confirmation of this policy before you go there, or are you like my 70 year old father who believes everything he reads on the interwebs?
                        I'm like LeBron James.
                        -mpfunk

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                        • MarkGrace
                          Grooveshark dick tease
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 31546

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                          Would you guys feel okay with some random dude called by the ward as YW leader camping with the girls at girls camp? I don't think most heterosexual men are pedophiles, but I sure as hell am not comfortable with it. I don't think most teenage boys are pedophiles, but I will never hire some 14 year old boy to babysit my two little girls.
                          They actually explained the policy as being more extensive than just the youth. They said anything involving kids 18 and younger. As in, couldn't even teach in the primary, be in the nursery, etc.
                          So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                          • smokymountainrain
                            Impressive Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 22593

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                            Would you guys feel okay with some random dude called by the ward as YW leader camping with the girls at girls camp?
                            That's a resounding no.
                            I'm like LeBron James.
                            -mpfunk

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                            • smokymountainrain
                              Impressive Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 22593

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                              They actually explained the policy as being more extensive than just the youth. They said anything involving kids 18 and younger. As in, couldn't even teach in the primary, be in the nursery, etc.
                              If true, that is ridiculous.
                              I'm like LeBron James.
                              -mpfunk

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