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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #1

    Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy

    I'm dying to see this one. It's out only in the art houses in L.A. (I assume that's for Oscar-qualifying purposes.). General release is set for Jan. 6. Has anyone seen it?

    Trailers here. This is one movie that is probably best understood if you've read the book first.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery
  • MarkGrace
    Grooveshark dick tease
    • Dec 2008
    • 31546

    #2
    Saw it today. Zzzzzzz....

    This movie needed to be 30-40 minutes shorter. The end of the movie was great, but it didn't have the payoff for me that it should have because the other 3/4 of the movie had completely lulled me to sleep and I stopped paying attention. If the whole movie had the pacing of the last 20-30 minutes, it would have been great.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    • LA Ute
      Receiver of Memory
      • Nov 2008
      • 19512

      #3
      Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
      Saw it today. Zzzzzzz....

      This movie needed to be 30-40 minutes shorter. The end of the movie was great, but it didn't have the payoff for me that it should have because the other 3/4 of the movie had completely lulled me to sleep and I stopped paying attention. If the whole movie had the pacing of the last 20-30 minutes, it would have been great.
      Rats. I was afraid of that.
      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
      ― W.H. Auden


      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • SeattleUte
        Faith crisis consultant
        • Nov 2008
        • 20837

        #4
        Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
        Saw it today. Zzzzzzz....

        This movie needed to be 30-40 minutes shorter. The end of the movie was great, but it didn't have the payoff for me that it should have because the other 3/4 of the movie had completely lulled me to sleep and I stopped paying attention. If the whole movie had the pacing of the last 20-30 minutes, it would have been great.
        lol you could say the same thing about the novel.
        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

        --Jonathan Swift

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        • SeattleUte
          Faith crisis consultant
          • Nov 2008
          • 20837

          #5
          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
          Rats. I was afraid of that.
          The NY Times loves it. It's about hyper privileged English boys who betrayed their country and spied for the Soviet Union. For me, it's an inherantly interesting subject. Maybe not for some.
          When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

          --Jonathan Swift

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          • Maximus
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 6013

            #6
            Anyone know when it comes to Utah

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            • Green Lantern
              Has overcome great fear
              • Aug 2009
              • 2289

              #7
              Originally posted by Maximus View Post
              Anyone know when it comes to Utah
              January 6th.
              Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...

              None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.

              I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.

              --Portland Ute

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              • LA Ute
                Receiver of Memory
                • Nov 2008
                • 19512

                #8
                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                lol you could say the same thing about the novel.
                My hunch is that those who have read and enjoyed the novel will feel the same way about the movie. Doesn't bode well for the box office. Still, the studio must think it has something, or the movie wouldn't have been released this way.
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • MarkGrace
                  Grooveshark dick tease
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 31546

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                  Rats. I was afraid of that.
                  Well, don't let me dissuade you, you may love it. In fact, I think this might be a situation where you're better off going into it having read the book. The thing is just a labyrinth, and the vast bulk of that is set up through dialogue. And for me, because I'm such a simpleton, I tend to become a little less engaged when the stretches of pure dialogue are just so long. Thus, since you already have a good idea of what is going on, it may be easier for you to follow through those stretches.

                  The opening scene is really tense and great. And like I said, the last act is really great as well. I just think the movie could have benefitted from a shorter bridge between those sequences. The movie is about two hours and ten minutes long, and those portions constitute maybe 30-40 minutes of the overall run time. Thus, you're left with an hour and forty minutes where it feels like almost is nothing is happening. I can roll with and enjoy dialogue and appreciate the set up that goes into it, but it was just too much of the movie for me.

                  But the film has considerable other merits as well. It feels very well crafted, it has a very cool style to its ambiance, and the acting is as top-notch as you would expect from Oldham, Firth, Hardy, et al. But akin to maybe something like The Winter's Bone, I feel like I just need a bit more from a strictly entertainment perspective to keep me connected despite those otherwise great elements.
                  Last edited by MarkGrace; 12-30-2011, 03:47 PM.
                  So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                  • PaloAltoCougar
                    Semper infra dignitatem
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 16933

                    #10
                    I hadn't read this particular LeCarre novel, but very much aware of his style, and thanks to Mark Grace's caveats, I went in prepared for the very long, complex exposition. I went with Mrs. PAC and my sister and they both loved it. My sis enjoys "mood" movies and heavy atmospherics, and my wife loves complex mysteries and was totally into it. It's very dense, with loads of subtleties, and overall is a very well-crafted movie. We had a lengthy discussion after the movie, which was fun, as so many movies are instantly forgettable.

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                    • Green Lantern
                      Has overcome great fear
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2289

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                      I hadn't read this particular LeCarre novel, but very much aware of his style, and thanks to Mark Grace's caveats, I went in prepared for the very long, complex exposition. I went with Mrs. PAC and my sister and they both loved it. My sis enjoys "mood" movies and heavy atmospherics, and my wife loves complex mysteries and was totally into it. It's very dense, with loads of subtleties, and overall is a very well-crafted movie. We had a lengthy discussion after the movie, which was fun, as so many movies are instantly forgettable.
                      We saw it this weekend and our experience was very similar. I loved the complexity of it, and I have to disagree with MG's desire for a shorter running time; I felt that every hint, every clue, every scene was vital to the overall story, which doesn't often happen. I was so invested that when we got to that climactic scene, I was on the edge of my seat.

                      On the other hand, one of my friends accompanied us and he fell asleep, so your mileage may vary.
                      Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...

                      None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.

                      I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.

                      --Portland Ute

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                      • HauteCoug
                        Wants a Silver Fox
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 899

                        #12
                        I liked it. I think. I'm still not completely sure how I felt about it. We really wanted to find more underneath it, but you get what you get.

                        Outside of that, it was extremely well done. Completely atmospheric - in the very best way.
                        what I am is what I am and I does what I does.

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                        • venkman
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 2199

                          #13
                          I'll watch anything with Gary Oldman. There's no better actor.
                          "Remember to double tap"

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