Originally posted by Mormon Red Death
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Are you talking about Gandhi? Because you can't be talking about E.T. Have you rewatched it lately? I'll defend that movie as Spielberg's crowning achievement. And that guy's no slouch.Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...
None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.
I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.
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Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
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I'm familar with the AFI list. What is interesting is to compare the original AFI top 100 with the 10-year anniversary that you linked. On the original list, Dances with Wolves is #75 and Goodfellas is #94. That would seem to support your view of Dances with Wolves not aging well and Goodfellas holding on.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostAlso, I think this list of AFI's top 100 is interesting. I doubt Blade Runner would have sniffed a list like this had one existed just a year or two after it came out. Sometimes it takes time to realize which is the best film. Dances With Wolves didn't even make the list, Goodfellas wasn't very high either though. Shawshank ranks higher than Forest Gump and Pulp Fiction and Gump ranks higher than Pulp Fiction. However Raging Bull is ranked #4 and I thought Ordinary People (not on the list) was deserving in the same year.
Also -- 1976 was a helluva year for movies-- four movies from that year made it on the list: Rocky, Network, All the President's Men and Taxi Driver.
Also on the original AFI rankings, Forrest Gump is #71, Pulp Fiction #95, and Shawshank Redemption is unranked. It's interesting how peoples' perceptions can change over time as a film is still the same. I don't understand it as I don't think my rankings would change all that much unless some of the lower ranked films fell off to make room for recent additions. I thought Blade Runner was excellent when it was released. So Shawshank Redemption gets a deserved ranking in the 10-year anniversity (and jumps Forrest Gump and Pulp Fiction in the process) but yet Dances with Wolves goes to the abyss of the unranked. Wonder if the AFI 20-year anniversity will put Dances with Wolves back on the rankings along with Oridnary People (A film I greatly enjoyed).
Link to the original AFI list:
“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafelComment
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1964: Dr. Strangelove
1996: FargoAs I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
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Anyone with kids has watched ET multiple times. I agree with it possibly being Spielberg's crowning achievement. I think Spielberg himself has said as much mentioning ET and Schlinder's List as the two films that defined him. But I would add Saving Private Ryan and Raiders of the Lost Ark to it and make it a bit more crowded.Originally posted by Green Lantern View Post“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafelComment
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1994: Hoops Dreams. 1994 may actually be one of the worst years. I'm not exactly sure what I don't like about Forest Gump, but I really don't like the movie. Not only is the best movie of the year not nominated for best picture, it isn't even nominated for best documentary.As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
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Blade Runner is a visually stunning film and it set a trend for how sci-fi films would look for decades after. Look at the Matrix and Minority Report (Minority Report less so). I can't believe that movie was made in 1982.Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
2001 also amazed me. It had Star Wars special effects (albeit with no space dogfights) but came out 9 years earlier. The thing about Kubrick is that scenes he filmed in 68 (2001) and 71 (A Clockwork Orange) still look fresh today (if you can forgive the dated 70s furniture in A Clockwork Orange). The action/chase scenes in The French Connection don't hold up as well.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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I guess I'll be the first professor to note that you're judging the past with the benefit of hindsight and the perspective of years. Titanic won because it was the best movie at the time. Saul was king of Israel because he was the best person at the time.
David turned out to be a better king, William H. Macy turns out to be a far better choice than Cuba Gooding, Jr. in 1996, but we're forgetting what it was like to experience those films when the elation of "SHOW ME THE MONEY" was novel, and not hackneyed. His performance was amazing, though he has done precious little to merit Oscar attention since then.
To quote L.P. Hartley, "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.""Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --SolonComment
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No shit, that's why the thread is titled "If the Academy had to do it over again."Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostPart of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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Life Is Beautiful should have won in 1998. SIL wasn't in the top 20 films made that year.Comment
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Russell Crowe should have won in 01 for his role in A Beautiful Mind, but he'd just won the year before, so they gave it to Denzel instead. I love Training Day (one of my go-to movies) but Crowe got robbed.
Cuba Gooding Jr. should have won for Radio in 2003, but by then the trend of awarding for playing a handicap was passe.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach FinstockComment
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I have always felt like Denzel Washington was flat out robbed when he did not win best actor in 1999 for his portrayal of Rubin Carter in The Hurricane (Kevin Spacey won for American Beauty) and that he in turn robbed Russell Crowe because the academy was making it up to him. I always thought his performance in Training Day was very ho hum.Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
But back on Kevin Spacey, do people feel like American Beauty and his performance have held up over the last ten years? To me that is a very forgettable movie and had some novelty at the time that has now worn off.Comment
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Whoa, I gotta object to that one! That movie holds up beautifully and the big car chase is just as brilliant today as it was 40 years ago. Which is probably because it was filmed using real cars, no special effects and a cameraman in the back seat wrapped in a mattress for protection.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostKids in general these days seem more socially retarded...
None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.
I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.
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Alright, dammit. I'm only gonna say this once, because I defended this film on this site in late '09.Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
"Look at me, I'm masturbating in the shower, and the sad thing is, that's going to be the highlight of my day."
That's not a caricature......that's real suffering, real existential angst.
When Peter Gallagher tries to convince Annette Benning to run away with him and leave her husband, and she tells him no, he calls her "ordinary" and the look of hurt in her eyes, the quality of that moment in the script, for me, puts to rest any notion of ordinary. A stereotypical ham-fisted movie would've had Kevin Spacey do that Suvari girl and THEN find out she was a virgin up until that moment.
The dad wasn't closet gay. He had no relationship with his son, and he tried to experience that connection that he thought Kevin Spacey had shared with his son. There wasn't any repressed sexuality or over-compensation going on. When he gets rebuffed and realizes that his son is dealing drugs to this guy, then he gets homicidal because of some sense of righteous indignation that his orders were not followed; that this neighbor (Spacey) is the only thing preventing him from maintaining order and discipline. Not because he was a spurned lover, but because he's a trained killer inhabiting a system that he wasn't trained to handle, so he responds with the violence, ambush violence, that he has been trained to use to resolve conflict.
American Beauty is a farking masterpiece.
CMBF, you ignorant slut. Re-read what I said. Even with your do-over, my comments carry the same relevance, the same import, and have the same power over your what-if.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post"Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --SolonComment
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