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  • PaloAltoCougar
    Semper infra dignitatem
    • Nov 2008
    • 16956

    #1

    An Education

    I mentioned seeing this in the "last movie I saw" thread, but believe the film deserves its own discussion. My initial impression was that it was a good, but not great, movie, although I noted it was the kind of movie that made one think. So yesterday during our long bike ride, Mrs. PAC and I talked about the previous night’s cinema experience and in the course of our conversation, I came around to the idea that the movie was very good, perhaps even great, as Green Lantern observed in his brief comments in the other thread. I’ll throw out a few reasons why, but I don’t want to put them in a spoiler box, so if you haven’t seen the movie yet, read no more, or don’t blame me if I spoil the experience for you. But if you like good screenplays and excellent acting, do go see it.

    I was bothered through much of the movie by the creepiness factor—a charming guy in his 30s (David) going after 16 year-old Jenny. I was also bothered by how easily her parents were persuaded to let her go out with the guy, so smitten were they by the guy’s apparent connections, suaveness and money. Meanwhile, the girl’s schoolmaster and favorite teacher seem to be portrayed as buzzkills for all the worldly pleasures that are enticing Jenny. But gradually we see the emptiness of David’s promises and life. After he and Jenny have sex, she seems vaguely surprised and disappointed, noting something like, "All that poetry and all those songs about something that lasts no time at all." She is sadder but wiser for the experience, and the creepiness is shown to have had a purpose.

    The parents (Alfred Molina and Cara Seymour, both really good) demonstrated what happens when even loving, caring parents, get diverted from their parental responsibilities by the seduction of fame, wealth or connections, or simply weakness in not standing up to the demands of a child.

    I suspect many will find the end of the movie a bit too neat or slick, but I liked the resolution. I tend to be a bit shallow in my analysis, but I enjoyed thinking about the film in religious terms. David is clearly a Satanic figure (charming, handsome, glib, telling lies but with enough truth to establish credibility, and offering worldly things that are often very good, even great), showing Jenny that she can have anything in the world for money. The school’s headmistress represents justice, telling Jenny she’s free to partake of David’s forbidden fruit, but if she does, she’ll be cast out of school and she can kiss the next life (Oxford) goodbye. When Jenny realizes the error of her ways, she goes back to the headmistress, seeking forgiveness and readmission, but the headmistress sticks the rules—she’s very just, but not merciful. Jenny then goes to her favorite teacher (Miss Stubbs, played by an excellent Olivia Williams) who clearly felt a great deal of love for Jenny and who was heartbroken when Jenny ran off with David (Miss Stubbs had previously rejected Jenny’s gift of Chanel perfume from Paris, an interesting exchange worthy of some discussion as well). Anyway, after Jenny has been rejected by the headmistress, and visits Miss Stubbs, after a brief discussion, Miss Stubbs asks, “So why are you here.” Jenny responds with something like, “I need your help.” Miss Stubbs is obviously very moved by this admission, and says, “Oh, I’m so glad you said that.” It's a Christ-like response to a sinner who reaches out for help from above. We don’t know what Miss Stubbs does to help Jenny (Plead her case for readmission? Tutoring? Writing the world’s best letter of recommendation for Oxford?), but it doesn’t matter, Miss Stubbs’ intercession was apparently enough.

    I had a bunch of other, similarlly half-baked, thoughts, but the fact that I had the thoughts made the experience very worthwhile. I like Avatar all right, but thought very little about it after leaving the theater, and I have little interest in seeing it again. I’ll watch An Education again, and think about it some more. I give it an A.
  • Green Lantern
    Has overcome great fear
    • Aug 2009
    • 2289

    #2
    Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I mentioned seeing this in the "last movie I saw" thread, but believe the film deserves its own discussion. My initial impression was that it was a good, but not great, movie, although I noted it was the kind of movie that made one think. So yesterday during our long bike ride, Mrs. PAC and I talked about the previous night’s cinema experience and in the course of our conversation, I came around to the idea that the movie was very good, perhaps even great, as Green Lantern observed in his brief comments in the other thread. I’ll throw out a few reasons why, but I don’t want to put them in a spoiler box, so if you haven’t seen the movie yet, read no more, or don’t blame me if I spoil the experience for you. But if you like good screenplays and excellent acting, do go see it.

    I was bothered through much of the movie by the creepiness factor—a charming guy in his 30s (David) going after 16 year-old Jenny. I was also bothered by how easily her parents were persuaded to let her go out with the guy, so smitten were they by the guy’s apparent connections, suaveness and money. Meanwhile, the girl’s schoolmaster and favorite teacher seem to be portrayed as buzzkills for all the worldly pleasures that are enticing Jenny. But gradually we see the emptiness of David’s promises and life. After he and Jenny have sex, she seems vaguely surprised and disappointed, noting something like, "All that poetry and all those songs about something that lasts no time at all." She is sadder but wiser for the experience, and the creepiness is shown to have had a purpose.

    The parents (Alfred Molina and Cara Seymour, both really good) demonstrated what happens when even loving, caring parents, get diverted from their parental responsibilities by the seduction of fame, wealth or connections, or simply weakness in not standing up to the demands of a child.

    I suspect many will find the end of the movie a bit too neat or slick, but I liked the resolution. I tend to be a bit shallow in my analysis, but I enjoyed thinking about the film in religious terms. David is clearly a Satanic figure (charming, handsome, glib, telling lies but with enough truth to establish credibility, and offering worldly things that are often very good, even great), showing Jenny that she can have anything in the world for money. The school’s headmistress represents justice, telling Jenny she’s free to partake of David’s forbidden fruit, but if she does, she’ll be cast out of school and she can kiss the next life (Oxford) goodbye. When Jenny realizes the error of her ways, she goes back to the headmistress, seeking forgiveness and readmission, but the headmistress sticks the rules—she’s very just, but not merciful. Jenny then goes to her favorite teacher (Miss Stubbs, played by an excellent Olivia Williams) who clearly felt a great deal of love for Jenny and who was heartbroken when Jenny ran off with David (Miss Stubbs had previously rejected Jenny’s gift of Chanel perfume from Paris, an interesting exchange worthy of some discussion as well). Anyway, after Jenny has been rejected by the headmistress, and visits Miss Stubbs, after a brief discussion, Miss Stubbs asks, “So why are you here.” Jenny responds with something like, “I need your help.” Miss Stubbs is obviously very moved by this admission, and says, “Oh, I’m so glad you said that.” It's a Christ-like response to a sinner who reaches out for help from above. We don’t know what Miss Stubbs does to help Jenny (Plead her case for readmission? Tutoring? Writing the world’s best letter of recommendation for Oxford?), but it doesn’t matter, Miss Stubbs’ intercession was apparently enough.

    I had a bunch of other, similarlly half-baked, thoughts, but the fact that I had the thoughts made the experience very worthwhile. I like Avatar all right, but thought very little about it after leaving the theater, and I have little interest in seeing it again. I’ll watch An Education again, and think about it some more. I give it an A.
    Wow, great analysis. I certainly wouldn't call that a half-baked reading. I hadn't thought about the film in religious terms but it looks like it definitely supports that interpretation. That's an especially nice catch about the "justice/mercy" reception that Jenny gets from her two school superiors. And to add just another comment about the parents, I loved when one of the parents admits that they saw that C.S. Lewis had moved from Oxford years before and therefore wouldn't have been there to sign her book, but they overlooked the fact because reality conflicted with what they wanted to believe. It's such an easy trap to fall into.
    Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...

    None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.

    I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.

    --Portland Ute

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    • Katy Lied
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 9435

      #3
      The same Olivia Williams that had a part in The Ghost Writer?

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      • Green Lantern
        Has overcome great fear
        • Aug 2009
        • 2289

        #4
        Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
        The same Olivia Williams that had a part in The Ghost Writer?
        Yes. Also the same Olivia Williams who is 100% awesome in the Joss Whedon series DOLLHOUSE.
        Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...

        None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.

        I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.

        --Portland Ute

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        • creekster
          It is NOT a monkey!
          • Nov 2008
          • 22661

          #5
          Spoilers below, so avoid this if you haven't seen it.


          Finally saw this film this weekend. I didn't like it as much as PAC, but thought it was quite good. I did find the ending to be a bit too slick and happy. Much like Jenny felt about her schooling when her parents turned her free to David and told her to forget about Oxford, I wasn't sure what the point of all the pain Jenny had experienced was when within a year all was back to normal and she was able to carry on as though it had never happened, which point is made very clearly in the voice over at the end. It all fits nicely with the intercession idea PAC espouses, but it seems a little hollow in the context of the movie.

          even so, i would certainly recommend it.
          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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          • BoylenOver
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 9146

            #6
            Finally watched it last night. I liked it.

            There isn't much more I can add to this thread other than I really enjoyed the fact that Nick Hornby wrote the screenplay.
            "I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
            "Hot Lunch posted awhile back on this. He knows more than anyone except for maybe BO."-Seattle Ute

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            • Sleeping in EQ
              Philosopher of Men
              • Nov 2008
              • 4188

              #7
              Is the film based on the life of Ted Nugent?

              We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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