The Invention of Lying

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  • PaloAltoCougar
    Semper infra dignitatem
    • Nov 2008
    • 16933

    #1

    The Invention of Lying

    On Saturday in Manhattan, we attended a show at the Hayden Planetarium, saw a matinee presentation of Bye Bye Birdie (John Stamos and Gina Gershon), had dinner at Peter Luger's, and saw The Invention of Lying at a late show on Times Square. While all were noteworthy, oddly it's the movie that I keep thinking of. And it's not because it's a great film. It's a trifle, but an interesting one.

    The movie is set in a parallel universe where everyone always speaks the truth, no matter how embarrassing, hurtful or self-defeating. People are incapable of saying anything untrue, and they simply cannot conceive of anyone else doing so either. But the Gervais character (and the guy is awesome with the facial expressions as he tries to stifle extreme discomfiture) has an epiphany and he begins shading the truth and telling out right lies. (Policeman: "Your friend is driving over the legal limit and I'm going to take him in." Gervais: "Why do you have to do that?" Officer: "Because that's the law; plus I have a cocaine habit and I need to make sure I hit my quota or my job will be in jeopardy." Gervais: "Well, he's not drunk and your breathalyzer must be broken." Officer: "Wow, my bad. I apologize. Please, gentlemen, on your way....")

    At his dying mother's bedside, Gervais tries to comfort her as she fears an eternity of nothingness, so he makes up a story about "the man in the sky" and how everyone who lived a good life will live in a big mansion of their own. It's actually a very touching scene. But the attendings overhear it and word spreads like wildfire. Soon, the entire world wants to hear the glad tidings about the man in the sky. So Gervais has to hold a press conference at which he reads ten basic principles about the man in the sky (written on the back of two tablet-like pizza boxes). But the press conference deterioriates rapidly as people start asking really stupid and overly specific questions about what the man in the sky looks like, what the rules are about being good and how many do overs do we get if we screw up.

    Gervais is an atheist but I wasn't bothered by some of his obvious themes. Rather, I thought the movie was a nice reminder of how we tend to obscure the important lessons (be good to each other, try to do better, have hope, etc.) by dwelling too much on minutiae and pharasaical approach to commandments and obedience.

    And it's a funny movie, if you like Gervais. If you don't, don't bother.
  • RockyBalboa
    Banned
    • Nov 2008
    • 2127

    #2
    Ghost Town was an underated movie.

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    • PaloAltoCougar
      Semper infra dignitatem
      • Nov 2008
      • 16933

      #3
      Originally posted by RockyBalboa View Post
      Ghost Town was an underated movie.
      I liked that one, too. The guy is very funny.

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      • Katy Lied
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 9435

        #4
        Love Gervais, especially his standup. He continues where Eddie Izzard left off. And his Simpsons character when he falls in love with Marge is filled with pathetic comedy.

        But this movie seems to make believers seem really dumb, and Gervais seems to be taunting his audience a la Michael Moore.

        But I havent seen it, so I must be missing something.

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        • PaloAltoCougar
          Semper infra dignitatem
          • Nov 2008
          • 16933

          #5
          Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
          Love Gervais, especially his standup. He continues where Eddie Izzard left off. And his Simpsons character when he falls in love with Marge is filled with pathetic comedy.

          But this movie seems to make believers seem really dumb, and Gervais seems to be taunting his audience a la Michael Moore.

          But I havent seen it, so I must be missing something.
          Were you local, I'd gladly finance your trip to view it (not because you can't afford it, but because I'd hate to have you blow your money on an experience you disliked) as I'd like your thoughts. I went in expecting the same thing (the faithful are stupid sheep), but his approach didn't really bother me, nor did it my two companions who are quite faithful (wife and daughter).

          Of course, I tend to be a little dimwitted when people are making fun of me. It's a useful defense mechanism.

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          • I.J. Reilly
            Nobody's Fool
            • Apr 2009
            • 2949

            #6
            PAC, I went and saw the movie and had a thoroughly entertaining time, but probably not for the reasons one might assume. See, the wife and I went and saw the movie at a theater in Utah County. If you remember, the movie opens with a pretty over the top masturbation joke. There were audible gasps in the theater every time Jennifer Garner said the word. Sixteen people left. That was about half of the audience. The gasps really got me.

            As far as the content of the movie, I thought Gervais was really heavy handed in what he was trying to say. There were some funny parts, but he really belabored his points and he tried to sock you in the mouth with how he felt about believers. He really over simplified things, imo. Oh well, it was his movie, I suppose. I probably wouldn't have minded catching it at the dollar theater, and I really thought the concept had promise, but like I said, the execution was poor, imo.

            However, for the mass masturbation walkout, the price was more than worth it.

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            • PaloAltoCougar
              Semper infra dignitatem
              • Nov 2008
              • 16933

              #7
              Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
              However, for the mass masturbation walkout, the price was more than worth it.
              That's funny. I assume you were in Utah County. We were in Manhattan and the only reaction I recall was one of mild laughter.

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              • Fiyero
                Banned
                • Nov 2008
                • 5266

                #8
                Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
                Sixteen people left.
                I wonder how many of those sixteen masturbate regularly. However, by suggesting they leave, their parter(s) will never suspect them now! Ha!

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                • TripletDaddy
                  sweet triple
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 58186

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Fiyero View Post
                  I wonder how many of those sixteen masturbate regularly. However, by suggesting they leave, their parter(s) will never suspect them now! Ha!
                  I think it is rude to get up and leave. Why do people premeditate these obviously choreographed protests, simply for attention? Pathetic!
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                  • I.J. Reilly
                    Nobody's Fool
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2949

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    I think it is rude to get up and leave. Why do people premeditate these obviously choreographed protests, simply for attention? Pathetic!
                    I really think that in the days of the internet there is almost no reason to walk out of a movie. You can know pretty much everything you want to know about a movie before you go and see it. If you want to know why a movie is rated a way that it is, there are plenty of sites that will give you numbered break downs of how many f words there are, how many sexual references and what they refer to, what sort of violence there is, etc. If you are the type of person who will be offended by a movie, do your homework. Don't make yourself look like a fool by staging a protest walkout.

                    Last night I was thinking that the movie theaters must really hate the Invention of Lying for how many tickets they have to refund every showtime here in Utah County.

                    I still can't get over hearing the gasps. It was amazing. Female masturbation is apparently one of the most abhorrent and shocking things to Victorian sexual mores. I've been in movies with a lot worse content in Utah County, but never have I seen more people walk out. Murdering dozens of people in a PG-13 movie is nowhere near as offensive.

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                    • UtahDan
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                      • Nov 2008
                      • 14496

                      #11
                      Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
                      Murdering dozens of people in a PG-13 movie is nowhere near as offensive.
                      But isn't it just a different kind of murder?

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                      • Fiyero
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 5266

                        #12
                        Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
                        Female masturbation is apparently one of the most abhorrent and shocking things to Victorian sexual mores. I've been in movies with a lot worse content in Utah County, but never have I seen more people walk out. Murdering dozens of people in a PG-13 movie is nowhere near as offensive.
                        See that's just my point. People in Utah county don't commit murder, therefore don't feel a need to put on a public front of disgust when they see one on screen.

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                        • I.J. Reilly
                          Nobody's Fool
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 2949

                          #13
                          Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                          But isn't it just a different kind of murder?

                          Perhaps the theater was full of a lot of animal rights activists. I see your point.

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                          • TripletDaddy
                            sweet triple
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 58186

                            #14
                            Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
                            I really think that in the days of the internet there is almost no reason to walk out of a movie. You can know pretty much everything you want to know about a movie before you go and see it. If you want to know why a movie is rated a way that it is, there are plenty of sites that will give you numbered break downs of how many f words there are, how many sexual references and what they refer to, what sort of violence there is, etc. If you are the type of person who will be offended by a movie, do your homework. Don't make yourself look like a fool by staging a protest walkout.

                            Last night I was thinking that the movie theaters must really hate the Invention of Lying for how many tickets they have to refund every showtime here in Utah County.

                            I still can't get over hearing the gasps. It was amazing. Female masturbation is apparently one of the most abhorrent and shocking things to Victorian sexual mores. I've been in movies with a lot worse content in Utah County, but never have I seen more people walk out. Murdering dozens of people in a PG-13 movie is nowhere near as offensive.
                            Please clarify the content of the scene in question. I would like to judge
                            for myself whether it is truly offensive.

                            I reserve the right to walk out in the middle of your post.
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                            • jay santos
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 13652

                              #15
                              Wife and I saw this last Friday. Gervais is a genius and there were some funny lines. But like most comedies, the movie gets bogged down in the plot the last half of the movie and tries to accomplish too much and the jokes get sacrificed. The film went on and on and the last 45 minutes felt like an eternity. The anti-religion was blatant and obvious and offensive. I don't get offended too easily, but I thought it was pretty bad.

                              Also they completely wasted the two characters Gervais hung around the most, the alcoholic and the Superbad kid. Both had the potential for some hilarious gags, but the writers completely struck out on how to use those two--especially the Superbad kid, whose presence alone makes me laugh the kid is hilarious--what a waste!

                              Thumbs down.

                              p.s. the masturbation scene was one of the bright spots in the movie providing for some classic Gervais The-Office-like uncomfortableness.

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