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    I found the stats in this article to be kind of interesting:

    http://www.endsights.com/2009/09/08/...than-november/

    The Wii in August still outsold both the PS3 and XBox 360. However the year over year decline was enormous (47%). The PS3 suffered a more moderate decline while the 360 actually had increased sales YOY.

    Obviously the August sales don't reflect the PS3 price cut. September's sales will show a massive jump in PS3 sales (supposedly the PS3 sold 500k units worldwide last week alone).

    The most interesting stat is that the XBox 360 actually increased its sales YOY despite eroding economic conditions. It appears as if the XBox 360 is easily winning the match with the PS3.

    Even though I bought a PS3, I did so because it had a blu-ray player and built in wi-fi. If I'm not mistaken, you have to buy a $100 wi fi unit for the X-Box 360 (or can you simply use any USB wi-fi unit?). Sony's bet was that the blu-ray player would cause people to buy the PS3 as opposed to the X-Box 360 even though it was at least $100 (and much more than that at launch).

    It was a bad bet by Sony for various reasons. First, blu-ray content is only now getting up to speed at a price point that is reasonable. Why the hell would you want a blu-ray during the fall of 2006? Second, the initial price was just too much and apparently even having it at $100 above the X-Box 360 Pro was too much. I had contemplated buying a new generation console for awhile, but the Wii was too childish, the PS3 was too expensive and I came close to buying the X-Box 360 Pro. What stopped me was: a) I don't play that many games to justify a purchase of a machine that basically just plays games: and b) for reasons related to a) I actually wanted the PS3 because of the blu-ray player and it seemed like a waste to buy an equivalent system that lacked that feature. I kept putting the purchase off because I wasn't thrilled with the X-Box and I just didn't want to spend $400 on a PS3.

    Then Sony lowered the price and I found out that it had built-in wi-fi and the X-Box lacked this feature. I then looked at the X-Box wi-fi hardware and saw it cost $100. So basically, the choice comes down to these three consoles:

    1. PS3 Slim: 120 GB harddrive, built-in wi-fi, blu-ray player, $300.

    2. XBox 360 Pro: 60 GB harddrive, no built-in wi-fi, no blu-ray, $250.

    3. XBox 360 Elite: 120 GB harddrive, no built-in wi-fi, no blu-ray, $300

    From a value perspective, the PS3 now blows the XBox away. Again, if I'm correct, you have to buy the MS wi-fi adaptor and that costs $100. So, if I'm going to buy the 360 elite with the same size harddrive and enable it with wi-fi, it's going to cost me $400- AND- it doesn't have a blu-ray player.

    XBox has a HUGE jump on the PS3 in the states and a somewhat smaller advantage in Europe. XBox currently controls the sports gaming segment of the market. XBox correctly put most of its chips on having the best online gaming out there. The PS3 is currently trying to catch up.

    Here's the thing though, as the former price difference between the XBox and PS3 showed, price was king when the added utility of the blu-ray player didn't mean much without the content. Now that the availability has increased for blu-ray content, it's going to increasingly become a killer app as people see that they can get a PS3 with a blu-ray player for only $100 more than a stand alone blu-ray and it comes with built-in wi-fi and a 120GB harddrive. Not only does the PS3 right now represent a better value from a gaming perspective than the XBox, but it also represents a compelling choice for people that don't play many video games at all due to the built-in wi-fi and 120 GB harddrive- that alone is well worth the extra $100 above the price of a decent blu-ray player. I don't play that many video games myself, but the additional features of the PS3 as compared to a stand alone blu-ray player represented a better value to me.

    MS has aligned itself with Netflix which I think is a very smart move to counter PS3's blu-ray capability. In all honesty, I think that online HD streaming will eventually trump blu-ray IF the cost can be comparable to someone going out and renting a blu-ray. The DVD industry never seemed to get too hurt by the on-demand features offered by satellite and cable and it could have been because DVDs offered you content sooner than on-demand and it was also somewhat cheaper to rent DVDs (helloooo RedBox).

    But PS3 is going to continue capturing more new buyers than XBox because of the value the PS3 represents. Rumor has it that MS is going to redesign the XBox and I think its an absolute must that the new XBox have built-in wi fi. I actually considered the XBox briefly because the netflix capability, but the lack of built-in wi-fi (in addition to the reliability issues) pushed me over to PS3.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    I find it amusing that you posted that long-ass review of gaming machines but only mentioned the actual games in about 2 lines. And you didn't really even individual games. That's really the whole advantage of the 360 - its not netflix or price, its the games available on the 360. After reading your review, it sounds like you just bought a $300 wireless blu-ray player that will probably end up playing Madden 2010 and that's about it.
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      crappy online gaming, no streaming HD movies, no Halo, and seems slower at getting online content.

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      • #4
        Some very well-made points. The recent price drop on the PS3 actually has me considering the purchase of a PS3 now, whereas I was heretofore uninterested.

        You've laid out the case for the PS3 very well, but I think you've left our a couple very important considerations that still keep the scales tipped towards the Xbox 360.

        The first is online play. I've only played online on a PS3 for a couple of hours, but it's pretty much universally understood that the Xbox 360 is where to be if you are interested in playing online at all. Granted, Xbox Live costs $50 per year, but you get what you pay for. Party functionality, online community support, gamerscores, exclusive downloadable content, Xbox Live Arcade offerings, etc. I know the PS3 may have its own version of some of these features, but Microsoft has been very successful in dominating this segment of the market.

        Another consideration is the exclusivity in game titles. The PS2 had a much broader array of game titles than the original Xbox, but Microsoft again has been very aggressive in ensuring that the best games are either exclusive Xbox titles, or atleast playable on the Xbox. I was very impressed with last year's E3 when they announced Final Fantasy XIII was coming to the Xbox. Up until that point, Square Enix and JRPGs in general were almost exclusively available on PlayStations. Microsoft went after the big boys and got them. A new Metal Gear game is coming out for the Xbox. And ofcourse you have your Halos, Gears of War, Left 4 Dead, etc that are only available on the Xbox 360.

        So should I pick up a PS3? I don't care in the least about Blu-Ray, though I do have Netflix because of the Xbox and could begin to rent Blu-Rays that way I think. WiFi would be nice, but my router is right next to my Xbox (I do have the Xbox wifi adapter). The only reason I want to get one is to play a few titles that aren't available on the Xbox (Infamous, Kill Zone 2, Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, etc).

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        • #5
          We picked up the PS3 for the Blu-Ray after our old DVD player crapped out. We subscribe to Netflix, so we had all the Blu-Ray content we wanted. It made sense.

          Also, some of the games for PS3 are very awesome. We only own about four or five games total, so the vast amount of content for any console isn't such a big deal. Little Big Planet is super fun, and is a PS3 exclusive. Metal Gear Solid 4 for the PS3 was another great one. The downloadable content for the PS3 is sufficient for our level of play.

          I guess if I were a serious enough gamer, I would probably own both systems, but either one is going to have more games to play than any of us have hours in the day, so what is the big deal? So I don't get to play Halo and someone else doesn't get to play Little Big Planet? Big deal.

          The final answer is this -- if you have a high def tv, and you have access to Blu-Content (Netflix), the PS3 is the choice. The Netflix streaming to the XBox pisses me off... what was Netflix thinking? Why the exclusive with MS? Stupid...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Colly Wolly View Post
            A new Metal Gear game is coming out for the Xbox. And ofcourse you have your Halos, Gears of War, Left 4 Dead, etc that are only available on the Xbox 360.
            I would still advise anyone with a PC capable of playing games to use the PC as a gaming platform. We play Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress2, etc over Steam on our PCs. Steam is also the best of the best ways to purchase games, since one never needs to worry about losing physical media, and can install games on any system, anywhere, as long as there is internet access.

            So I would add that to the mix. If you have a PC that plays games, you don't need an XBox.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
              We picked up the PS3 for the Blu-Ray after our old DVD player crapped out. We subscribe to Netflix, so we had all the Blu-Ray content we wanted. It made sense.

              Also, some of the games for PS3 are very awesome. We only own about four or five games total, so the vast amount of content for any console isn't such a big deal. Little Big Planet is super fun, and is a PS3 exclusive. Metal Gear Solid 4 for the PS3 was another great one. The downloadable content for the PS3 is sufficient for our level of play.

              I guess if I were a serious enough gamer, I would probably own both systems, but either one is going to have more games to play than any of us have hours in the day, so what is the big deal? So I don't get to play Halo and someone else doesn't get to play Little Big Planet? Big deal.

              The final answer is this -- if you have a high def tv, and you have access to Blu-Content (Netflix), the PS3 is the choice. The Netflix streaming to the XBox pisses me off... what was Netflix thinking? Why the exclusive with MS? Stupid...
              Another post about how PS3 is better than xbox with no focus on the gaming aspect. These are gaming machines. Gaming should be the primary point of comparison.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by falafel View Post
                Another post about how PS3 is better than xbox with no focus on the gaming aspect. These are gaming machines. Gaming should be the primary point of comparison.
                He did say his POV might be different if he was serious enough gamer. Why dont you put up your own review that stresses the Gaming aspect?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by falafel View Post
                  Another post about how PS3 is better than xbox with no focus on the gaming aspect. These are gaming machines. Gaming should be the primary point of comparison.
                  Ok. The controller on the Xbox is much better than that of the PS3 in my opinion.

                  Again, Xbox Live Arcade is fantastic. Shadow Complex is a great game that came out a few weeks ago developed by a little studio in Provo called Chair Entertainment. They are a subsidy of Epic. The game is a blast to play and worth the $15 for sure. Highly recommended if you were a fan of Super Metroid, Castlevania, or any type of side-scroller.

                  Another aspect of gaming that I love about the Xbox is achievements. They add a whole new element of fun and longevity to gaming.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by creekster View Post
                    He did say his POV might be different if he was serious enough gamer. Why dont you put up your own review that stresses the Gaming aspect?
                    Thank you Creeky for the invitation. Xbox has better gaming than PS3. And, after all, these are gaming machines.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                      I would still advise anyone with a PC capable of playing games to use the PC as a gaming platform. We play Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress2, etc over Steam on our PCs. Steam is also the best of the best ways to purchase games, since one never needs to worry about losing physical media, and can install games on any system, anywhere, as long as there is internet access.

                      So I would add that to the mix. If you have a PC that plays games, you don't need an XBox.
                      You play Fallout 3. And the D/L content for the PS3 blows. The 360 basically has an additional 4 games for D/L.

                      I think the online and D/L aspects are not comparable. The reason PS3 has to pimp the blu-ray is because there is no advantage in the gaming arena. In fact, overall, it is a disadvantage. The value in the PS3 is the built-in dvd player and wi-fi (although most homes already have a router). So basically it comes down to the dvd player.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by falafel View Post
                        Thank you Creeky for the invitation. Xbox has better gaming than PS3. And, after all, these are gaming machines.
                        perhaps, but the whole point here, I think,. is that the PS3 does other things much better than just gaming so on balance it was chosen as their platform. It's like getting annoyed with a blackberry review that stresses its utility for email becasue it is supposed to be a phone, it is a phone! So that they are gaming platforms doesnt really invalidate the reviews, does it?
                        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                          You play Fallout 3. And the D/L content for the PS3 blows. The 360 basically has an additional 4 games for D/L.

                          I think the online and D/L aspects are not comparable. The reason PS3 has to pimp the blu-ray is because there is no advantage in the gaming arena. In fact, overall, it is a disadvantage. The value in the PS3 is the built-in dvd player and wi-fi (although most homes already have a router). So basically it comes down to the dvd player.
                          Sure, but I also have a PC. If I had been smarter, I would have purchased Fallout for the PC, over Steam. Then I would have had all the downloadable content AND I could be playing Little Big Planet.

                          Little Big Planet is an awesome game. So is MGS4.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                            I would still advise anyone with a PC capable of playing games to use the PC as a gaming platform. We play Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress2, etc over Steam on our PCs. Steam is also the best of the best ways to purchase games, since one never needs to worry about losing physical media, and can install games on any system, anywhere, as long as there is internet access.

                            So I would add that to the mix. If you have a PC that plays games, you don't need an XBox.
                            I played World of Warcraft on the PC for 3 months. I'm glad I was able to break away. You bring up a good point, but I still think a console is better for gaming (except for RTS games).

                            I like to be able to lie back on my couch with a controller on my belly and chat with friends as we pwn noobs on the battlefield. If I was a PC gamer I'd have to be at a desk rocking the mouse and keyboard. I dunno, to each his own I guess.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                              Sure, but I also have a PC. If I had been smarter, I would have purchased Fallout for the PC, over Steam. Then I would have had all the downloadable content AND I could be playing Little Big Planet.

                              Little Big Planet is an awesome game. So is MGS4.
                              we are discussing the merits of PS3 v 360. If you are suggesting that the PS3 coupled with a PC is the superior option, you are probably 100% correct, but you have also all but ended the discussion re ps3 and 360 as stand-alones.

                              what is Little big planet? I am waiting for the next WW2 themed Call of Duty or the next fun RPG. But I don't like anime-type RPGs.
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