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  • SoCalCoug
    Ragnar Lodbrok Descendant
    • Nov 2008
    • 5214

    #1

    A Lesson in Logic, by Blueintheface

    He argued with my point that the ONLY talent advantage BYU might have over OU is our TE's against OU's LB's. His argument was that OU's LB's are better than BYU's.

    Not only is his logic dizzying, but he had just the right touch of patronization:

    http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4771067
    If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

    "Somebody needs to kill my trial attorney." — Last words of George Harris, executed in Missouri on Sept. 13, 2000.

    "Nothing is too good to be true, nothing is too good to last, nothing is too wonderful to happen." - Florence Scoville Shinn
  • Color Me Badd Fan
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 12519

    #2
    Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
    He argued with my point that the ONLY talent advantage BYU might have over OU is our TE's against OU's LB's. His argument was that OU's LB's are better than BYU's.

    Not only is his logic dizzying, but he had just the right touch of patronization:

    http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4771067
    Actually, I kind of get his point. Although your point may be true, his point may also be true. Basically, you're saying that BYU's TEs may be able to take advantage of OU's LBs and that may be the only matchup that BYU can exploit.

    Blueintheface is looking at whether the TE vs. LB matchup on both sides of the ball provides a net benefit and he has, probably correctly, decided that it does not because OU has the best TE in the country and BYUs LBs are fairly average. The talent differential between OU's TE and BYU's LBs excees the differential between BYUs TEs and OUs LBs.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    • falafel
      loves to talk on things
      • Mar 2009
      • 37933

      #3
      Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
      Actually, I kind of get his point. Although your point may be true, his point may also be true. Basically, you're saying that BYU's TEs may be able to take advantage of OU's LBs and that may be the only matchup that BYU can exploit.

      Blueintheface is looking at whether the TE vs. LB matchup on both sides of the ball provides a net benefit and he has, probably correctly, decided that it does not because OU has the best TE in the country and BYUs LBs are fairly average. The talent differential between OU's TE and BYU's LBs excees the differential between BYUs TEs and OUs LBs.
      Yeah, but like Blue overlooked, you're overlooking the fact that SoCal is only arguing that our TEs vs. their LBs might be the only advantage. This point is so narrow I don't understand why everyone is trying to expand it.

      Blue's idiotic (second) argument is that OU's LB's are better than BYU's LB's, and therefore they are better than our TEs. Sure, that's possible, but its by no means established.
      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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      • byu71
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 22070

        #4
        Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
        He argued with my point that the ONLY talent advantage BYU might have over OU is our TE's against OU's LB's. His argument was that OU's LB's are better than BYU's.

        Not only is his logic dizzying, but he had just the right touch of patronization:

        http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4771067
        There is a Blueintheface over there and a BlueNtheface over there. One poster I really like and the other not so much. I don't know which is which. It makes it tough responding.

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        • Color Me Badd Fan
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 12519

          #5
          Originally posted by falafel View Post
          Yeah, but like Blue overlooked, you're overlooking the fact that SoCal is only arguing that our TEs vs. their LBs might be the only advantage. This point is so narrow I don't understand why everyone is trying to expand it.

          Blue's idiotic (second) argument is that OU's LB's are better than BYU's LB's, and therefore they are better than our TEs. Sure, that's possible, but its by no means established.
          I realize that SoCal's point is limited to the advantage that BYU's TEs will have over OU's LBs. Actually, a different poster makes the point that the collective benefit on both sides of the ball on that matchup goes to OU because of Jermaine Gresham. After reading Blueintheface's post that SoCal linked to, it doesn't make very much sense. Sooooo, because BYU's TEs don't go up against OUs LBs in practice, BYU's TEs aren't as good...I'll admit that it is nonsensical.
          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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          • falafel
            loves to talk on things
            • Mar 2009
            • 37933

            #6
            Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
            I realize that SoCal's point is limited to the advantage that BYU's TEs will have over OU's LBs. Actually, a different poster makes the point that the collective benefit on both sides of the ball on that matchup goes to OU because of Jermaine Gresham. After reading Blueintheface's post that SoCal linked to, it doesn't make very much sense. Sooooo, because BYU's TEs don't go up against OUs LBs in practice, BYU's TEs aren't as good...I'll admit that it is nonsensical.
            That is the particular point that I'm referring too.
            Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

            Dig your own grave, and save!

            "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

            "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • SoCalCoug
              Ragnar Lodbrok Descendant
              • Nov 2008
              • 5214

              #7
              Originally posted by byu71 View Post
              There is a Blueintheface over there and a BlueNtheface over there. One poster I really like and the other not so much. I don't know which is which. It makes it tough responding.
              I'm going to guess that the one with the capital "N" is the one you like.
              If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

              "Somebody needs to kill my trial attorney." — Last words of George Harris, executed in Missouri on Sept. 13, 2000.

              "Nothing is too good to be true, nothing is too good to last, nothing is too wonderful to happen." - Florence Scoville Shinn

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              • SoCalCoug
                Ragnar Lodbrok Descendant
                • Nov 2008
                • 5214

                #8
                My point was that because our TE's against their LB's /S's is probably the only place BYU might have a talent advantage over OU, I would expect that we'll see Pitta and George with a lot of action in the game.

                We have no advantage over OU when BYU's on defense.

                What made me laugh was how the guy made a ridiculous, illogical argument, and then strutted (virtually) like he got one over on me.
                If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

                "Somebody needs to kill my trial attorney." — Last words of George Harris, executed in Missouri on Sept. 13, 2000.

                "Nothing is too good to be true, nothing is too good to last, nothing is too wonderful to happen." - Florence Scoville Shinn

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