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  • SandYFan
    Junior Member
    • May 2013
    • 754

    #1

    4K Native hard drives

    So apparently hard drive technology is currently making the move from 512-byte sized sectors on hard drives to 4096-byte size sectors.

    Does anyone know where I can buy a true 4K native drive? There are a lot out there that mimic it, but I've been unable to find a true, not masked 4K hard drive.



    TIA.
  • Uncle Ted
    The Big 12 money shot.
    • Apr 2010
    • 28853

    #2
    Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
    So apparently hard drive technology is currently making the move from 512-byte sized sectors on hard drives to 4096-byte size sectors.

    Does anyone know where I can buy a true 4K native drive? There are a lot out there that mimic it, but I've been unable to find a true, not masked 4K hard drive.



    TIA.
    Frys or MicroCenter.

    Wait, no Fry's MicroCenter in Utah? Try New Egg...



    You get a little more space with AF:

    4k-adv-format-sectors.jpg

    but it seems to me the file system in your OS is most likely going to waste your savings and then some. Let's say you have a file that is one byte long. That file will map to a disk sector. If your sector is 512 bytes long then you waste 511 bytes for that file. If your sector is 4096 bytes long then you waste 4095 bytes. Also, there are performance issues as well since your OS will have to read that entire 4096 sector to retrieve that one little byte which takes up more room in the OS's "buffer cache". Maybe that is why they recommend these drives for digital audio/video storage applications.
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    • Uncle Ted
      The Big 12 money shot.
      • Apr 2010
      • 28853

      #3
      OK, I take about what I said about performance...

      The performance loss in Windows XP was negligible in every scenario, which is great news for those still clinging onto it. There’s even evidence to show that the new disk will be faster under XP than Windows 7 (compare Windows 7 performance in one graph to Windows XP in another). Naturally, in 4KB reads and writes there’s a huge performance advantage for the newer 4K Advanced Format disk, but at the same time the write latency has taken a hit. In our tests, we found the jumper workaround for Windows XP to work perfectly fine, and we didn’t have many issues with setting up partitions on the disk either.


      Disks based on 4K Advanced Format are a natural evolution to the old 512B models, so to some extent, 'should I get a 4K AF disk' is a moot point - it's what the industry is moving to in order to give us more density per platter and cheaper (or at least no more expensive). As higher capacity and increased areal density often results in better performance, there's a speed benefit too.


      The caveat is that you won’t see those benefits just yet – the standard is being introduced this year so that it can enable disks of the future to deliver these advantages. We'll have to wait to see whether the 4K Advanced Format change will make a tangible difference.
      We detail the facts, correct the fiction, and understand what 4K Advanced Format really means for you when it comes to buying a hard disk today. We show you how to make the disks compatible with Windows XP, test whether the new disks are faster and tell you what the benefits really are.


      I still wonder about the issue with wasted space.

      Of course, in order to make drives with lots of space we are going to need to go to 4K sectors soon or later.
      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
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      • SandYFan
        Junior Member
        • May 2013
        • 754

        #4
        Of course, in order to make drives with lots of space we are going to need to go to 4K sectors soon or later.
        That's the big thing. I found a couple, including Western Digital's Green Caviar models. Thanks for the help.

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