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  • #31
    At any point in time I own several hundred. As far as I can tell, all they do is eat a lot, crap a lot, and make it difficult to avoid swearing in front of my children.
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    • #32
      Seems like everyone here knows someone that has hit a jackpot. So maybe your odds are better than you think.

      My grandma sends me scratch-offs for my birthday every year. The most I have ever won is a free scratch off.

      My dad made an Idaho run once when powerball was over 150 million. He is not a gambler at all so that surprised me, he went to the first gas station as you cross over from Utah to Idaho and the line was out the door he said. He said he had to drive another 40 miles in to the state before he found a gas station where the line was not at least 40-50 people long.
      *Banned*

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      • #33
        Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
        Seems like everyone here knows someone that has hit a jackpot. So maybe your odds are better than you think.
        Makes me wonder if that is due to the same mathematical reasons behind the surprising probabilities of shared birthdays.

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        Last edited by Indy Coug; 05-13-2010, 09:57 AM.
        Everything in life is an approximation.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
          Makes me wonder if that is due to the same reasons behind the surprising probabilities of shared birthdays.

          Birthday problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          Should this go in your statistical anomaly thread? That is pretty crazy.
          *Banned*

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
            Makes me wonder if that is due to the same mathematical reasons behind the surprising probabilities of shared birthdays.

            Birthday problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            I've noticed on facebook that my "friends;" birthdays seem to run in clusters. There are sometimes when out of 500+ people, it's nobody's birthday for a few days.
            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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            • #36
              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
              I've noticed on facebook that my "friends;" birthdays seem to run in clusters. There are sometimes when out of 500+ people, it's nobody's birthday for a few days.
              You would expect clusters even if birthdays follow a distribution where each calender day is equally likely (1/365). How many clusters you would expect on average for each cluster length is a difficult problem to solve (much harder than the birthday problem) but it is easy to simulate (few lines of code). Here is a simulation of the number of clusters in a calendar year assuming a uniform distribution using 10,000 trials:

              Friends = 500;
              Code:
              Summary Statistics
                          Cluster=1   Cluster=2    Cluster=3   Cluster=4   Cluster=5
              Mean        92.63590    23.35940     5.90650     1.47960     0.37150 
              St. Dev      6.13179     4.74433     2.82944     1.50632     0.78061 
              Min         70.00000     8.00000     0.00000     0.00000     0.00000 
              Max        114.00000    46.00000    22.00000    10.00000     7.00000
              With 500 friends, 3 day clusters of no birthdays isn't that unusual even if everything is random. 4-5 day clusters are rare. If you have 750 friends, clusters of 3 days without a birthday get rare assuming an uniform distribution (which, of course, doesn't reflect reality but its probably not a bad first order approximation):

              Friends=750
              Code:
                          Cluster=1    Cluster=2   Cluster=3   Cluster=4   Cluster=5
              Mean        46.58870     5.89380     0.74460     0.08790     0.01060 
              St. Dev      5.36211     2.51526     0.96159     0.33434     0.12037 
              Min         28.00000     0.00000     0.00000     0.00000     0.00000 
              Max         68.00000    19.00000     8.00000     4.00000     3.00000
              Most likely the first order effect you are observing is just plain ordinary randomness.
              Last edited by pelagius; 05-13-2010, 02:08 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                I've noticed on facebook that my "friends;" birthdays seem to run in clusters. There are sometimes when out of 500+ people, it's nobody's birthday for a few days.
                This is very similar to something I have noticed, which is that on facebook my "friends" always "forget" my birthday.

                Jerks.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                  You would expect clusters even if birthdays follow a distribution where each calender day is equally likely (1/365). How many clusters you would expect on average for each cluster length is a difficult problem to solve (much harder than the birthday problem) but it is easy to simulate (few lines of code). Here is a simulation of the number of clusters in a calendar year assuming a uniform distribution using 10,000 trials:

                  Friends = 500;
                  Code:
                  Summary Statistics
                              Cluster=1   Cluster=2    Cluster=3   Cluster=4   Cluster=5
                  Mean        92.63590    23.35940     5.90650     1.47960     0.37150 
                  St. Dev      6.13179     4.74433     2.82944     1.50632     0.78061 
                  Min         70.00000     8.00000     0.00000     0.00000     0.00000 
                  Max        114.00000    46.00000    22.00000    10.00000     7.00000
                  With 500 friends, 3 day clusters of no birthdays isn't that unusual even if everything is random. 4-5 day clusters are rare. If you have 750 friends, clusters of 3 days without a birthday get rare assuming an uniform distribution (which, of course, doesn't reflect reality but its probably not a bad first order approximation):

                  Friends=750
                  Code:
                              Cluster=1    Cluster=2   Cluster=3   Cluster=4   Cluster=5
                  Mean        46.58870     5.89380     0.74460     0.08790     0.01060 
                  St. Dev      5.36211     2.51526     0.96159     0.33434     0.12037 
                  Min         28.00000     0.00000     0.00000     0.00000     0.00000 
                  Max         68.00000    19.00000     8.00000     4.00000     3.00000
                  Most likely the first order effect you are observing is just plain ordinary randomness.
                  Yet another reason why you're very cool. Thanks for explaining this. My mind doesn't work this way, and I'm glad that there are people like you who can do this stuff, seemingly effortlessly.
                  "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                    Yet another reason why you're very cool. Thanks for explaining this. My mind doesn't work this way, and I'm glad that there are people like you who can do this stuff, seemingly effortlessly.
                    Pelagius is truly the Master.
                    Everything in life is an approximation.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                      Yet another reason why you're very cool. Thanks for explaining this. My mind doesn't work this way, and I'm glad that there are people like you who can do this stuff, seemingly effortlessly.
                      The mind is very good at picking out patterns ... no doubt there are lots of really good evolutionary reasons for this ... the downside is the mind isn't intituitively great with with random, particularly what random draws can looks like.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                        Makes me wonder if that is due to the same mathematical reasons behind the surprising probabilities of shared birthdays.

                        Birthday problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                        Reading this article has led me to invent a new party game.

                        Whenever I go to a party with 23+ people, I will take bets with guests on whether there are any two people in the room that share the same birthday for the first hour of the party. After that time, I will ask all to write down their birthday and then turn it in to an independent third party. Statistically, I should come out a winner.

                        If I show up at a place with 50+ I'll even advertise a great payout, like 10-1 if they win.

                        Now, I just need to get invited to enough parties where the people don't overlap so I can't be discovered.

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                        • #42
                          I bought a few on my 18th birthday because I could. I haven't bought any since.
                          What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
                          -Teenage Dirtbag

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                          • #43
                            A guy I that worked for me went on an Idaho run a few years back, and collected money from anyone that wanted him to buy them tickets. 4 or 5 people gave him money.

                            When he came back, one of the tickets he gave to one lady scratched off for $10,000.00. She was so excited, jumping up and down, screaming, making a big scene in the department. The guy just stood there smiling. It seems he had stopped at a novelty shop along the way and bought her a fake lottery ticket that was a guaranteed winnner. When he finally told her she was devastated. It was a terrible prank, that still doesn't get any laughs to this day.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
                              Reading this article has led me to invent a new party game.

                              Whenever I go to a party with 23+ people, I will take bets with guests on whether there are any two people in the room that share the same birthday for the first hour of the party. After that time, I will ask all to write down their birthday and then turn it in to an independent third party. Statistically, I should come out a winner.

                              If I show up at a place with 50+ I'll even advertise a great payout, like 10-1 if they win.

                              Now, I just need to get invited to enough parties where the people don't overlap so I can't be discovered.
                              You are one party animal.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                                You are one party animal.
                                Hey, thanks! I'm always trying to think up stuff that won't get me invited to the next party happening

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