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A lot of this is coming off to me as sour grapes.
I definitely think there's plenty of room for disappointment or resentment, depending on point-of-view, but I think we all have benefited from JL's largely unsung efforts over the years.
Maybe we could cut him a little slack.
I have my own ideas on what fueled the name-change, but I'm not here to try to reconcile the factions; clearly we're beyond that. The change is done. Let's take a few breaths, get some perspective, and see what that looks like.
In the meantime, there might be more interesting and useful topics for our attention and conversation."More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
-- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)
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Just for the record: I love JL and am grateful for what he made possible here. If I ever see him in person I'll give him an abrazo (hoping he doesn't call the police or slug me) and will try to buy him lunch. Come to think of it, that's probably true of just about everyone I've had more than a passing acquaintance with here. Hey, one JL decision that I consider an eminently regrettable, stupendous mistake doesn't change that.Originally posted by Solon View PostA lot of this is coming off to me as sour grapes.
I definitely think there's plenty of room for disappointment or resentment, depending on point-of-view, but I think we all have benefited from JL's largely unsung efforts over the years.
Maybe we could cut him a little slack.
I have my own ideas on what fueled the name-change, but I'm not here to try to reconcile the factions; clearly we're beyond that. The change is done. Let's take a few breaths, get some perspective, and see what that looks like.
In the meantime, there might be more interesting and useful topics for our attention and conversation.
“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I second this. I think JL is great, he has brought a lot of enjoyment to me through CUF. I think he is a huge part of what makes CUF successful. This change has really blindsided me. I'm still up in the air about what my level of future participation will be. I'd love to think the people and discussion will stay mostly the same, but I'm afraid it won't and I don't know what that and any possible alternatives that pop up will do to my interest going forward.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostJust for the record: I love JL and am grateful for what he made possible here. If I ever see him in person I'll give him an abrazo (hoping he doesn't call the police or slug me) and will try to buy him lunch. Come to think of it, that's probably true of just about everyone I've had more than a passing acquaintance with here. Hey, one JL decision that I consider an eminently regrettable, stupendous mistake doesn't change that.
"In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
"And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
"Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute
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I will stay the exact same for you. Hope that helps!Originally posted by DU Ute View PostI second this. I think JL is great, he has brought a lot of enjoyment to me through CUF. I think he is a huge part of what makes CUF successful. This change has really blindsided me. I'm still up in the air about what my level of future participation will be. I'd love to think the people and discussion will stay mostly the same...
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I really don't understand why some of you think that the discussion will change? Why should it? It's the same people on this board. Same forum subcategories. Same everything but the name. Why can't (and shouldn't it) it be the same?Originally posted by DU Ute View PostI second this. I think JL is great, he has brought a lot of enjoyment to me through CUF. I think he is a huge part of what makes CUF successful. This change has really blindsided me. I'm still up in the air about what my level of future participation will be. I'd love to think the people and discussion will stay mostly the same, but I'm afraid it won't and I don't know what that and any possible alternatives that pop up will do to my interest going forward.
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Because there's been a disruption in the Force.Originally posted by LiveCoug View PostI really don't understand why some of you think that the discussion will change? Why should it? It's the same people on this board. Same forum subcategories. Same everything but the name. Why can't (and shouldn't it) it be the same?“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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There's not much we can do about your craving for our approval. But I'll try. I love you too for all you did to make this board what it has been. I know what you did was behind the scenes and that no one has any idea what possible good you are around here, but in my heart I know you have done a lot. (I apologize to Cardiac and niku for my loose use of the work "know.")Originally posted by YOhio View PostI think you could do a much better job of showing it. All I hear out of you is 'bad JL and bad YOhio.'“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Somehow, I don't think so.Originally posted by falafel View PostI think that has lead to some confusion (at least for me, occasionally).
Scorcho, don't be an idiot. You're a good dude. Just stick around, you'll notice this place is the same as it was 2 days ago when you were a happy participant.
I think this board has crossed the Rubicon.
JL and others have cited the Utes joining the PAC12 and the demise of the rivalry as the reason to push this board off the fence and clearly into BYU territory.
If so, that's fine. If this is a casualty of the Utes joining the PAC12, not spending 1 OOC game every single year on BYU and watching the "BYU to the BIG12" thread grow like a weed, then so be it.
In the end, Ute fans on this site should have listened to their upbringings in seminary and been reminded of the words of the famous snake: "You knew what I was when you picked me up."
We really have no reason to complain that we are on the short end of a douche move.
A snake is a snake is a snake and forever will be.
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If the name were changed to UteCountry.com with a picture of RES would you feel exactly the same about coming here and realistically not expect anyone else to leave or post less because of it? Would you have even thought of joining in the first place? I think things could stay exactly the same here, but I really doubt they will.Originally posted by LiveCoug View PostI really don't understand why some of you think that the discussion will change? Why should it? It's the same people on this board. Same forum subcategories. Same everything but the name. Why can't (and shouldn't it) it be the same?"In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
"And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
"Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute
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