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    Here is the article my response is below

    Q:Back to business—of which accomplishments as commissioner are you most proud?


    A. A couple of things. First, setting up the television packages when I first got here. I arrived just as the courts were invalidating the NCAA football television program, and I was the administrator of that for the NCAA. Every conference then had to replicate the process for themselves. We put together a good distribution of resources and got our games on.
    You are proud of that? You have the shittiest contract of all the bcs conferences. According to SI

    The league reported only $88.78 million in gross receipts for the 2007 fiscal year, putting it far behind the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. That's partly due to the nation's worst TV deal
    Q: Speaking of football and bowls, what about the BCS and your role in it?
    A: I'm very proud to have been part of building it. It's enabled the college football regular season in Division I-A—I can never stop and think of it as FBS—but the regular season is by far the most successful of any American sport. And imperfect though the season may be at times, and as easy a target as it may be, I think we've done a good job fine-tuning it. And it's very successful in terms of getting regular-season television ratings
    Only in College Football do they congratulate themselves on having a great regular season instead of crowning a champion.

    Q: That pride makes some people perceive you as, along with the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl, blocking a playoff. How does that make you feel?
    A: It doesn't bother me whatsoever. No. 1, it's not my personal philosophy or position that's at question. It's the conference. I happen to agree, but it's not me as an individual. The other part is there are so many reasons for opposing a playoff. It just wouldn't be good for college football. In April 2008, the Big 12 presidents said they wouldn't let the Big 12 teams play any additional postseason games. The Big East's position is ambivalent, to say the least.
    Come on Tom... the only reason the pac-10 doesnt want a playoff is because they are in the rosebowl's pocket and don't want to share. The rose bowl brand is 72 million and they don't want to screw that up.

    Q: So what are the chances of a playoff down the road?
    A: We get playoff proposals around the calendar, with many more coming in the late fall. There just isn't anything that would be good in our opinion. We would have to go to 16 teams. The political pressure for participation would be even more intense than in the BCS. You'd have to play the games until the championship on campuses, so you'd be playing games at Michigan and Ohio State, weather-wise, in late December or January. Most of the TV time periods that are attractive then are taken by the NFL. There are some many factors that people never consider.
    Hey Tom lets put this in perspective:

    Out of the 119 Div I teams
    2 would play 16 games
    2 more would play 15 games

    a whopping 4 teams would play extra 1-2 extra games. Keep in mind there are already 6 teams that play 14 games

    As for the Late December bullshit argument here is the solution. Start the season the last Saturday in August and give the teams 13 weeks to play 12 games. Have the first two rounds of the playoffs be Thanksgiving weekend and the week after. Play semi finals New Years Day and the NC game a week later.

    Q: Where do things stand with a Pac-10 television network?
    A: We need to continue to look at that area. Our contracts, the football ones are with ABC/ESPN and Fox Sports Net, run through the 2011-12 academic year. So we have three more years under contract, and we've deliberately synched them up so we have the ability for whatever structure we want to create. We're actively looking at the marketplace, and we certainly have an eye on a network like the Big Ten formed that's very successful. We also look at the model the SEC was able to put together, where by considering a network, they were able to drive a very attractive regular-season program without creating the network.

    Q: So are we going to see one?
    A: I think that's still an open question. We haven't studied and negotiated enough. It's too early to make a prediction
    Again a testament to your stupidity you have the worst tv deal of the large conferences.

    continued
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    continued

    Q: Will Larry Scott someday be running the Pac-12? Pac-16?
    A: I don't think. It certainly won't be soon. The reason a conference expands is to extend or enlarge its football for football television reasons. As we learned back in the 1990s, the only real attractive place we could go was Texas. Texas then had, and likely still does, about seven percent of the nation's television homes. The other institutions within out footprint would bring no gain. Nearby, including in the state of Utah, there aren't enough television homes to make those institutions attractive. The prospects just aren't there.
    Translation: if we could have gotten Texas and Colorado we would be at 12 right now.

    As for the talk about tv screens in Utah... I'm sure that corvallis, eugene pullman and tucson are absolutely huge draws for you.


    Q: Does the idea of a conference championship game cancel some of those factors?
    A: Our athletic directors have looked at that, and they're not in favor. They would rather play nine games, and play a complete schedule. In addition, and this is a big thing, they're not interested in dividing into divisions. There is a strong desire for all our members to play in Los Angeles every year, and having one of the L.A. schools play in their stadium. They get great exposure in the second-largest market in the country, and their coaches get their teams to play in a great area for recruiting. It's an extremely valuable thing for our schools.
    Here Tom I will solve your problem

    Split the rivals into different divisions Now everyone gets to play an LA school. It leaves Two Teams every year who don't get to play a game in LA. Well set up a game (like the 1st one of the year) pitting those two teams in LA. You now assured the conference of everyone playing in LA once a year.

    Additionally I will solve your tv deal

    You add two more teams and get a championship game for 15 million a year. You then start the PAC-10 Network. You need someone to play on that Network so you make a stipulation that the new network will have an unbalanced amount of games for the additional 2 teams.

    You then get two more bowl games and you build the Network. Soon with the championship game, extra bowl revenue and the new network you get an extra 100 million.

    Instead of 8.8 million per team. You Now have 200 Million divided by 12 which is 17 million per school.
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    • #3
      If you keep talking down to Tom like that, he'll never let in Utah or BYU. So stop it already.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
        If you keep talking down to Tom like that, he'll never let in Utah or BYU. So stop it already.
        He ran his bull shit up the flag pole and I am not saluting
        "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

        "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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        • #5
          Tom Hansen is a fool who has put the PAC-10 behind the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC by being blind to several realities. I think the new commish is a smarter man and sees the economic realities.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mr. Crimson View Post
            Tom Hansen is a fool who has put the PAC-10 behind the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC by being blind to several realities. I think the new commish is a smarter man and sees the economic realities.
            Nice play-by-play breakdown, MRD. The Pac-10 is a dinosaur.

            I thought your "TV sets in Utah" vs. "TV sets in Pullman, Corvallis, etc." argument was the biggest zinger.
            "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
            -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Solon View Post
              Nice play-by-play breakdown, MRD. The Pac-10 is a dinosaur.

              I thought your "TV sets in Utah" vs. "TV sets in Pullman, Corvallis, etc." argument was the biggest zinger.
              TV sets in Pullman, yes. TV sets in Corvallis, no- because there are also TV sets in Portland and that metropolitan area. Oregon is still bigger than Utah.

              WSU is a different story. The population in eastern Washington is sparse and no one cares about WSU in the Seattle area. There's no credible argument to be made for WSU's inclusion and not Utah or BYU's from a TV ratings perspective.
              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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              • #8
                But it's additional TV sets that matter. They are stuck with their sparsely populated markets, can't jettison them, and don't want to add more of the same which would end up being a net negative, by his math.

                We need to find their formula and massage it a bit.
                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                  TV sets in Pullman, yes. TV sets in Corvallis, no- because there are also TV sets in Portland and that metropolitan area. Oregon is still bigger than Utah.

                  WSU is a different story. The population in eastern Washington is sparse and no one cares about WSU in the Seattle area. There's no credible argument to be made for WSU's inclusion and not Utah or BYU's from a TV ratings perspective.
                  I don't know. They all seem comparable to me:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_...c_Northwest%29

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasatch_Front

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_metropolitan_area

                  Also WSU doesn't share it's market with a BCS/potential BCS school. Sure in some of the Central Washington area (like Yakima) it probably does, but not like the other 2 markets do (OU/OSU Utah/BYU).

                  Don't get me wrong. I don't think WSU is some great program with lots of support and revenue, I just don't see comparing Utah/BYU to them as being that effective.
                  Last edited by beefytee; 07-01-2009, 10:59 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                    TV sets in Pullman, yes. TV sets in Corvallis, no- because there are also TV sets in Portland and that metropolitan area. Oregon is still bigger than Utah.

                    WSU is a different story. The population in eastern Washington is sparse and no one cares about WSU in the Seattle area. There's no credible argument to be made for WSU's inclusion and not Utah or BYU's from a TV ratings perspective.
                    For what it is worth the Portland metro area has about 2 million people and the Salt Lake Metro area has about 1.6 million people. The entire state or Oregon has around 3.7 million vs 2.7 for Utah.

                    Honestly those numbers seem close enough that there is no real argument about TV sets. Also to bring Wazzu into view...

                    To give them the widest possible audience, the population of Spokane County, WA and Kootenai, County ID (where Couer D'Alene is for those who don't know) is 600,000.

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                    • #11
                      The money is there for them to expand. Two new teams would need to add 18 million dollars to the pot to make them cost neutral

                      they make 70% of that with the championship game.
                      "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                      "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                        The money is there for them to expand. Two new teams would need to add 18 million dollars to the pot to make them cost neutral

                        they make 70% of that with the championship game.
                        Plus for the rest of it I'm sure both schools would agree to some for of entrance fee plus reduced revenue for a couple of years. Reduced revenue would still be better than what we're getting now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mr. Crimson View Post
                          For what it is worth the Portland metro area has about 2 million people and the Salt Lake Metro area has about 1.6 million people. The entire state or Oregon has around 3.7 million vs 2.7 for Utah.

                          Honestly those numbers seem close enough that there is no real argument about TV sets. Also to bring Wazzu into view...

                          To give them the widest possible audience, the population of Spokane County, WA and Kootenai, County ID (where Couer D'Alene is for those who don't know) is 600,000.
                          Maybe one Utah school along with some school from another state would justify inclusion, but adding two schools from a state with 2.7 million just doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense for the Pac 10. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single state in the country with that kind of population that has two BCS teams. Iowa comes the closest. That's two more mouths to feed and the underlying population numbers don't make up for the expense.

                          There are only so many schools out west from which the Pac 10 can choose and the fact that Nevada, Idaho and New Mexico either don't have the requisite population or the quality of program to justify inclusion into the Pac 10 hurts the chances of one of the Utah schools to be included in the Pac 10. Utah and BYU are clearly good enough to be included in the Pac 10, but the Pac 10 likes the fact that every team plays each other during the football season and doesn't feel there are two teams that bring enough to the table to justify expansion to 12. Twelve teams provides some advantages, championship games, more TV revenue, etc.

                          But right now the advantages don't outweight the disadvantages. If Vegas continues to grow at the same rate and if the quality of the UNLV football team improves, then UNLV and Utah would be the likely teams added to the Pac 10. But that would be another 10 years down the road at least. There's already almost two million in the Vegas metropolitan area and with the way Vegas has grown in the past, it's not inconceivable that it will sit at 2.5 million or more in a decade.
                          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                            The money is there for them to expand. Two new teams would need to add 18 million dollars to the pot to make them cost neutral

                            they make 70% of that with the championship game.
                            And another thing that prevents Pac 10 expansion is the fact that the Pac 10 is delusional. There's no way in hell Texas would ever join the Pac 10. Those people think the Big 12 and that region of the country play the best football in the country (see Mack Brown's comments regarding the SEC).
                            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                              Maybe one Utah school along with some school from another state would justify inclusion, but adding two schools from a state with 2.7 million just doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense for the Pac 10. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single state in the country with that kind of population that has two BCS teams. Iowa comes the closest. That's two more mouths to feed and the underlying population numbers don't make up for the expense.
                              Oregon
                              Iowa
                              Oklahoma
                              Kansas
                              Mississippi
                              "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                              "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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