The UH transfer that Chow is blocking

[frank ryan]

Michael Waddsworth a soon-to-be RM safety, is he any good. Why is Norm being an asshole about this, is he good?

[USUC]

This is standard operating procedure for most coaches. Coaches usually don't like to let the kids in their program transfer to a program within the conference, state, or a program they play every year. BYU will play Hawaii every year for the rest of this kids college career. However, rumor has it that Chow has given this kid the go ahead to transfer to ANY program but BYU. Apparently he could transfer any where in the MWC. If that true then he is being a asshole.

[Top Ute]

This is standard operating procedure for most coaches. Coaches usually don't like to let the kids in their program transfer to a program within the conference, state, or a program they play every year. BYU will play Hawaii every year for the rest of this kids college career. However, rumor has it that Chow has given this kid the go ahead to transfer to ANY program but BYU. Apparently he could transfer any where in the MWC. If that true then he is being a asshole.

Sports By Brooks said Hawaii source told him UH's justification behind transfer denial was that BYU initiated the process, not Wadsworth himself. I think there's a significant difference there.

This request was also blocked by previous coach McMakin (Mac's first DC at Utah, just so you know), which could mean this is a decision being made by someone higher up the food chain than the HC. I don't think anyone should be surprised at that possibility.

[USUC]

Sports By Brooks said Hawaii source told him UH's justification behind transfer denial was that BYU initiated the process, not Wadsworth himself. I think there's a significant difference there.

This request was also blocked by previous coach McMakin (Mac's first DC at Utah, just so you know), which could mean this is a decision being made by someone higher up the food chain than the HC. I don't think anyone should be surprised at that possibility.

Interesting. The kid is currently on a mission. So BYU is trying to recruit these kids on their mission? I don't buy it but maybe. If this sportsbybrooks source is accurate, why would BYU initiate the process without the consent of Wadsworth. Something weird about this situation.

[Top Ute]

Interesting. The kid is currently on a mission. So BYU is trying to recruit these kids on their mission? I don't buy it but maybe. If this sportsbybrooks source is accurate, why would BYU initiate the process without the consent of Wadsworth. Something weird about this situation.

I think we're all aware of the accusations against BYU regarding kids in the mission field. If accepted procedure is for the transfer to initiate the process, I can't for the life of me understand why BYU thought it could break the mold at a school where one of its former employees is now HC.

[creekster]

I think we're all aware of the accusations against BYU regarding kids in the mission field. If accepted procedure is for the transfer to initiate the process, I can't for the life of me understand why BYU thought it could break the mold at a school where one of its former employees is now HC.

I am afraid I am unaware of the accusations to which you refer. What did BYU supposedly do? Is it improper per the NCAA or not?

[Top Ute]

I am afraid I am unaware of the accusations to which you refer. What did BYU supposedly do? Is it improper per the NCAA or not?

The NCAA only created a rule because of said accusations.

[kccougar]

One reason, plain and simple. Hawaii doesn't want to set a precedent and become BYU's farm team.

[Indy Coug]

Michael Waddsworth a soon-to-be RM safety, is he any good. Why is Norm being an asshole about this, is he good?

To quote Norm: "How the hell should I know?"

[Paperback Writer]

Part of the problem is the protocol that should be followed when a player wants to transfer and how missionary service adds difficulty to following the protocol. As most probably know, a player usually first asks permission to transfer or is asked/encouraged to transfer by the HC. Once permission is granted, the player is free to contact other schools and there is typically a stipulation that the player cannot transfer within the conference or to programs already on the schedule.

The problem with missionary service is that the scholarship does not have to be held (my understanding). So if a player decides to transfer while on a mission and asks permission from the HC, he may not find his scholarship waiting when he returns from missionary service. So the player has incentive to make sure he has a landing place to transfer to before informing his HC of his intentions. Otherwise, he could find himself without a scholarship and having to market himself to other programs after not having played football the past two years.

[creekster]

The NCAA only created a rule because of said accusations.

What is the rule and did BYU violate a rule here or not?

[Top Ute]

What is the rule and did BYU violate a rule here or not?

The rule:

An institution shall not contact a student-athlete who has begun service on an official church mission without obtaining permission from the institution from which the student-athlete withdrew prior to beginning his or her mission if the student-athlete signed a National Letter of Intent (NLI) and attended the institution (with which he or she signed the NLI) as a full-time student. ... If such a student-athlete has completed his or her official church mission and does not enroll full-time in a collegiate institution within one calendar year of completion of the mission, an institution may contact the student-athlete without obtaining permission from the first institution.

Did BYU violate it? Initiating the release process, rather than the athlete, could give basis for such an accusation, and it's what Hawaii is using to justify blocking his release to play for BYU.

[Indy Coug]

IIRC, a transfer can be blocked on the basis that the desired school is a future opponent.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebask...ransfer-041912

[creekster]

The rule:

An institution shall not contact a student-athlete who has begun service on an official church mission without obtaining permission from the institution from which the student-athlete withdrew prior to beginning his or her mission if the student-athlete signed a National Letter of Intent (NLI) and attended the institution (with which he or she signed the NLI) as a full-time student. ... If such a student-athlete has completed his or her official church mission and does not enroll full-time in a collegiate institution within one calendar year of completion of the mission, an institution may contact the student-athlete without obtaining permission from the first institution.

Did BYU violate it? Initiating the release process, rather than the athlete, could give basis for such an accusation, and it's what Hawaii is using to justify blocking his release to play for BYU.

So if I understand you here, the issue is who initiated the contact. If the player initiated contact there is no rule against the contacted school school seeking the release from the players original school. Hawaii is claiming here, as I understand it, that because BYU contacted Hawaii seeking the players release, that this suggests that BYU initiated contact. Is there any other evidence that BYU failed to abide by the rule? If not, I think that Chow is being petty. I know it is not unusual for a school to prevent transfers to future opponents, etc., but IMO that is foolishness. I would understand it if the players were being paid properly for their work, but since they aren't (and I don't think they should be, necessarily) I don't think they should be prevented from changing schools if they choose.

Btw, if I am misunderstanding something about the rule or the facts, please correct me (like I need to say that on this site).

[kccougar]

So if I understand you here, the issue is who initiated the contact. If the player initiated contact there is no rule against the contacted school school seeking the release from the players original school. Hawaii is claiming here, as I understand it, that because BYU contacted Hawaii seeking the players release, that this suggests that BYU initiated contact. Is there any other evidence that BYU failed to abide by the rule? If not, I think that Chow is being petty. I know it is not unusual for a school to prevent transfers to future opponents, etc., but IMO that is foolishness. I would understand it if the players were being paid properly for their work, but since they aren't (and I don't think they should be, necessarily) I don't think they should be prevented from changing schools if they choose.

Btw, if I am misunderstanding something about the rule or the facts, please correct me (like I need to say that on this site).

You are not misunderstanding it. The entire basis for the claim against BYU is that the paperwork requesting release was submitted by BYU, which is no indicator at all of who intiated contact between Wadsworth and BYU.