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  • Troy Hinds and BYU's two-headed recruiting machine

    Here's why I think BYU's ESPN deal matters, and why I HAVE to think it at least played a role in getting a guy like Hinds, a guy that, unlike Jake Heaps, didn't have his mind made up where he wanted to go since he was ten years old:

    What nobody is saying out loud but everyone should realize by now is that a lot of LDS kids pick BYU, not for the quality education (although that provides some justification)...

    not for the quality athletic programs (although that also provides some justification)...

    not for the honor code (some really like it, some just accept it, but you're insane if you really think that is WHY kids come here)...

    not even because their church owns the school (although that also serves as some easy justification, "Hey. I'm Mormon. Why not?")......

    No. Most kids go to BYU for the same reason I did:

    To get laid.

    We all know this. Sex sells. And BYU sells sex to Mormon boys and girls like few others can: COPIOUSLY AND GUILT FREE.

    Mormons want to have sex just like everybody else. But Mormons HATE themselves when they break commandments so the psychological cost of having premarital sex really puts a damper on the experience. Not only that, but we are strongly encouraged to get married in the temple and strongly discouraged from dating/marrying non-mormons. To do so would be unthinkable for many LDS kids. So what do we do? Where do many of us want to go to school if we can get in?

    To the Mormon wonderland; the school that provides the greatest number of high-quality sexual options for our demographic. BYU, duh.

    Elite LDS athletes are not immune to this either, but it isn't always enough. Once you get to those four and five star athletes (Jake Heaps excepted) the ones being told by everyone that they'll play in the NFL/NBA some day, they seem to need something more from BYU to justify the yearnings of their loins.

    Many of them, unfortunately, have perceived BYU as being a potential speed bump on that road to professional glory, partially due to their relative national obscurity. Maybe it isn't true that playing for Miami gives you a better chance at going pro because the NFL is so good at spotting talent no matter where it's found... but when you are that good and you feel that close to making it big, are you gonna want to take any chances? Are you gonna want your son take any chances? If you think there is ANY possibility that playing at a different school will help your chances are you really going to choose BYU? I wouldn't.

    A sale begins on an emotional level, and BYU provides that with the awesome sexual lure already mentioned, but a sale closes on the logical level, and you HAVE to admit that BYU's new TV contract (as well as Utah's with the Pac) provides them with quite a bit more of that logical justification than they used to have (I'm not saying it'll be enough to get Jabari, but it sure doesn't hurt).

    I have little doubt that with Utah's move to the Pac 12, had BYU not landed that ESPN deal, Troy Hinds would be a Ute right now, and he wouldn't be the only one. Utah offers much of the same LDS culture and sexual/marital prospects (less, but enough) as BYU, and with the Pac 12 move I believe they now offer more than plenty of justification for any LDS athlete to play there; much more so than BYU would have had they stayed in the MWC after Utah's departure.

    Without BYU's counteroffer in the form of an ESPN partnership, I really don't think we get that kid. But with that deal, all things considered, I think BYU's two-headed recruiting machine of ESPN and sex continues to hold a slight edge over Utah's two headed machine of Pac 12 affiliation and... slightly less sex... for 3-5 star LDS athletes (ONLY lds athletes, though), as it always has in the past. Troy Hinds is proof of that.
    Last edited by taekwondave; 08-09-2011, 03:04 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by taekwondave View Post
    ... a guy like Hinds, a guy that, unlike Jake Heaps, didn't have his mind made up where he wanted to go since he was ten years old:

    Yeah but Heaps wanted to go to UW since he was ten... how does this fit into your theory?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Commando View Post
      Yeah but Heaps wanted to go to UW since he was ten... how does this fit into your theory?
      True story.

      Also, I get the feeling Hinds ended up at BYU because he didn't really have any other options. This isn't based on anything substantial, mind you, it's just a gut feeling.
      So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
        True story.

        Also, I get the feeling Hinds ended up at BYU because he didn't really have any other options. This isn't based on anything substantial, mind you, it's just a gut feeling.
        I think Hinds to BYU is the best fit for him in terms of defensive scheme and mission plans. That's why I never thought Nebraska had a chance of signing him-sure Bo Pelini will tell Hinds that he can serve a mission and his scholarship will be held; but when Hinds asks for other players who have done something similar he will get a blank stare. Nebraska has had LDS impact players over the years but none (to my knowledge) had ever served a mission.

        I'm curious if there are many LDS prep players who have signed out of HS with a program other than BYU or Utah who then have served missions and returned to play. It's high risk for both the player and the program. The RM player is under no obligation to honor his original committment and the program is under no obligation to honor the scholarship. Only other school that I can think of might be ASU.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
          I think Hinds to BYU is the best fit for him in terms of defensive scheme and mission plans. That's why I never thought Nebraska had a chance of signing him-sure Bo Pelini will tell Hinds that he can serve a mission and his scholarship will be held; but when Hinds asks for other players who have done something similar he will get a blank stare. Nebraska has had LDS impact players over the years but none (to my knowledge) had ever served a mission.

          I'm curious if there are many LDS prep players who have signed out of HS with a program other than BYU or Utah who then have served missions and returned to play. It's high risk for both the player and the program. The RM player is under no obligation to honor his original committment and the program is under no obligation to honor the scholarship. Only other school that I can think of might be ASU.
          Wasn't Larsen from U of A a returned missionary? What about Jonathan Mapu at Tennessee? Those two off the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty more.
          A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Commando View Post
            Yeah but Heaps wanted to go to UW since he was ten... how does this fit into your theory?
            It fits fine. Although Heaps was always high on UW, he was also always high on BYU. Bronco righted the ship and the Heaps family was sold. Just ask the regulars on TBS where Jake's mom had been posting regularly since Jake was sixteen.

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            • #7
              How come grapevine some times use punctuation and paragraphs and other times he doesn't?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                I'm curious if there are many LDS prep players who have signed out of HS with a program other than BYU or Utah who then have served missions and returned to play. It's high risk for both the player and the program. The RM player is under no obligation to honor his original committment and the program is under no obligation to honor the scholarship. Only other school that I can think of might be ASU.
                I'm sure there are several. I can think of some off the top of my head, but I'm guessing someone else can come up with a lot more than I can.

                Spencer Larsen at Arizona
                X at UCLA
                Kirk Chambers at Stanford
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                  I think Hinds to BYU is the best fit for him in terms of defensive scheme and mission plans. That's why I never thought Nebraska had a chance of signing him-sure Bo Pelini will tell Hinds that he can serve a mission and his scholarship will be held; but when Hinds asks for other players who have done something similar he will get a blank stare. Nebraska has had LDS impact players over the years but none (to my knowledge) had ever served a mission.

                  I'm curious if there are many LDS prep players who have signed out of HS with a program other than BYU or Utah who then have served missions and returned to play. It's high risk for both the player and the program. The RM player is under no obligation to honor his original committment and the program is under no obligation to honor the scholarship. Only other school that I can think of might be ASU.
                  Thank you. I don't know how I left that out. BYU really has a three headed LDS recruiting machine, the third head being for those who really want to serve missions. Good catch.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by taekwondave View Post
                    Thank you. I don't know how I left that out. BYU really has a three headed LDS recruiting machine, the third head being for those who really want to serve missions. Good catch.
                    So what you're saying is that BYU is the place for recruits who want to have sex on their missions broadcast by ESPN?
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                    • #11
                      Yeah, I think BYU has a SLIGHT edge on Utah in the missions department. Not a HUGE edge, but a slight one. I know that Whittingham is very supportive of them serving, yes, no doubt, and I think Kyle is a fantastic coach and a very exemplary mormon, but you know BYU has the edge on the mission thing. The whole kit and kaboodle at BYU is set up for that. Non-missionaries are the exception at BYU far and away more than they are at Utah. You gotta think that plays on a kids mind just a little bit who wants to serve and is choosing between the two schools.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                        So what you're saying is that BYU is the place for recruits who want to have sex on their missions broadcast by ESPN?
                        And I could have just said that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by taekwondave View Post
                          Yeah, I think BYU has a SLIGHT edge on Utah in the missions department. Not a HUGE edge, but a slight one. I know that Whittingham is very supportive of them serving, yes, no doubt, and I think Kyle is a fantastic coach and a very exemplary mormon, but you know BYU has the edge on the mission thing. The whole kit and kaboodle at BYU is set up for that. Non-missionaries are the exception at BYU far and away more than they are at Utah. You gotta think that plays on a kids mind just a little bit who wants to serve and is choosing between the two schools.
                          Not to threadjack... this is one of my all time favorite expressions.
                          "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                            I'm sure there are several. I can think of some off the top of my head, but I'm guessing someone else can come up with a lot more than I can.

                            Spencer Larsen at Arizona
                            X at UCLA
                            Kirk Chambers at Stanford
                            Stevens at Oregon. Oregon also had a kid from Southern Idaho as well that I think went on a mission. Just graduated last year. Mapu at Tennessee that someone already mentioned. Junkie probably knows better than I do.

                            Edit: Brandon Blair is the kid from Oregon.
                            Last edited by Hot Lunch; 08-09-2011, 04:30 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Commando View Post
                              Not to threadjack... this is one of my all time favorite expressions.
                              I knew a girl in Provo, who went by Kit (I thinks it was short for Kristin). Many admired her kaboodle.

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