Apparently, the Pac 10 is expanding

[TripletDaddy]

Or at least that seems to be the buzz on cougarboard. I see that a few of the top 10 threads are about Utah leaving BYU behind and the PAC expanding.

I can't seem to find any basis for the new buzz, other than the simple fact that the PAC has a new conference commissioner.

For those that have been following those threads, is there anything remotely substantial to it? Maybe even a single quote indicating that the PAC "may" in "a million years" look at expanding? What started all this hubbub again?

[YOhio]

Senate hearings on the BCS probably contributed to the annual speculation.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

[SeattleUte]

I see that a few of the top 10 threads are about Utah leaving BYU behind and the PAC expanding. . . . What started all this hubbub again?

How about logic?

[Solon]

Or at least that seems to be the buzz on cougarboard. I see that a few of the top 10 threads are about Utah leaving BYU behind and the PAC expanding.

I can't seem to find any basis for the new buzz, other than the simple fact that the PAC has a new conference commissioner.

For those that have been following those threads, is there anything remotely substantial to it? Maybe even a single quote indicating that the PAC "may" in "a million years" look at expanding? What started all this hubbub again?

Hmm, usually this tired debate seems to rev up after the NCAA tourney is done and message boarders are grasping for something to talk about. Judging by the MWC's performance in the big dance this year, I'll bet the Pac-10 is contracting, and sending Arizona and Arizona State to the MWC.

[RobinFinderson]

Wouldn't this be good for BYU? We would get more conference championships, and playing a PAC10 team every season would kinda improve our strength of schedule.

[TripletDaddy]

I just saw this one, posted by vedderhall.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4513501

I have no idea what the first paragraph means, but it has some great material in there. It seems that vedderhall heard straight from "the horse's mouth" that BYU is not going to the PAC10 without Utah. Also, both Utah and BYU are run by the "alma mater" of the other school. So that clears everything up.

Sometimes I think I need to stop by CB more often and mine some of these gems.

[Indy Coug]

vedderhall also tried to have CB believe that Sherri Dew was on the verge of getting the vacated BYU AD position a few years ago.

[Solon]

I just saw this one, posted by vedderhall.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4513501

I have no idea what the first paragraph means, but it has some great material in there. It seems that vedderhall heard straight from "the horse's mouth" that BYU is not going to the PAC10 without Utah. Also, both Utah and BYU are run by the "alma mater" of the other school. So that clears everything up.

Sometimes I think I need to stop by CB more often and mine some of these gems.

That's gold.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Or at least that seems to be the buzz on cougarboard. I see that a few of the top 10 threads are about Utah leaving BYU behind and the PAC expanding.

I can't seem to find any basis for the new buzz, other than the simple fact that the PAC has a new conference commissioner.

For those that have been following those threads, is there anything remotely substantial to it? Maybe even a single quote indicating that the PAC "may" in "a million years" look at expanding? What started all this hubbub again?

Why the hell would the Pac-10 expand- so they could land the huge Utah market and get a championship game? This has problems.

Having two more mouths to feed in the form of two teams from Utah while only adding the Utah market in the process ends up likely taking away from the bottom line in the end. In other words, if the combined population of the current Pac-10 states is around 52 million, then adding a state with about 2.5 million by adding two teams makes little sense. When the Pac-10 is negotiating TV contracts, Utah doesn't give the Pac-10 much more sway. In addition, the money made on a championship game doesn't justify the addition of two teams.

With that being said, I don't think its impossible that the Pac-10 would try to add a team from Utah, most likely the Utes, while trying to add another team from, likely, Colorado. The problem is Colorado is already in the Big 12 and most people there view that as the superior conference in the sports that matter. There's no reason for Colorado to leave. Supposedly, the Pac-10 already tried making an overture to Colorado and Colorado didn't go for it.

There was also an offer to Texas, but the people down there love the Big 12 and of course think the competition is superior. Financially speaking, a conference that controlled the California and Texas markets would have tremendous power negotiating TV contracts- so the Pac-10 overture to Texas isn't as outlandish as it sounds, and I would even say that Texas would be morons if they didn't at least consider it. What the Pac-10 should do is repeat the offer to Texas and then also offer aTm. The population of the Pac-10 states would be about 76 million. With that being said, supposedly the state government would never allow just two of the Texas schools to leave for the Pac-10.

[byu71]

I just saw this one, posted by vedderhall.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4513501

I have no idea what the first paragraph means, but it has some great material in there. It seems that vedderhall heard straight from "the horse's mouth" that BYU is not going to the PAC10 without Utah. Also, both Utah and BYU are run by the "alma mater" of the other school. So that clears everything up.

Sometimes I think I need to stop by CB more often and mine some of these gems.

Some people really believe Utah is our little brother. Such naive thinking in positions where it really matters causes us to get blindsided.

I don't doubt the church could exert pressure on the legislature to block a Utah move, but that would be so blatant it might be reacted to more negatively than the support of Prop. 8 in California.

[SeattleUte]

I don't doubt the church could exert pressure on the legislature to block a Utah move, but that would be so blatant it might be reacted to more negatively than the support of Prop. 8 in California.

That would be funny.

We've discussed this but of course Prop. 8 ensured if it wasn't already a sure thing that BYU will never be invited to the Pac 10.

[byu71]

That would be funny.

We've discussed this but of course Prop. 8 ensured if it wasn't already a sure thing that BYU will never be invited to the Pac 10.

Standing up for your principles has it's consequences. I admit I wish we had fewer principles so the prospects for BYU athletics would improve.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Some people really believe Utah is our little brother. Such naive thinking in positions where it really matters causes us to get blindsided.

I don't doubt the church could exert pressure on the legislature to block a Utah move, but that would be so blatant it might be reacted to more negatively than the support of Prop. 8 in California.

The legislature and Utah's administration would be absolute morons to not allow Utah to go to the Pac-10 if offered. As I said above, there is zero chance that both BYU and Utah go to the Pac-10. But also, the only chance that Utah goes is if the Pac 10 can cherry pick Colorado from the Big 12. I don't see what incentive Colorado has to go to the Pac-10 unless the dollar amounts on TV contracts and are more enticing and I don't think that's the case right now. I have yet to see an instance where a team jumped to another conference that is either on the same level or even somewhat lower in stature. It's one thing for Miami to jump from the Big East to the ACC, one conference is clearly better than the other. The Pac-10 is NOT clearly better than the Big 12.

Just for speculation purposes, if Colorado went to the Pac-10, then BYU would be the obvious team to go to the Big 12. BYU would just be excluded from the conference basketball tourney and the no Sunday rule could be dealt with in the minor sports.

[PaloAltoCougar]

It seems that vedderhall heard straight from "the horse's mouth" that BYU is not going to the PAC10 without Utah.

Since when did Sarah Jessica Parker become an expert on BYU's PAC10 prospects?

[byu71]

The legislature and Utah's administration would be absolute morons to not allow Utah to go to the Pac-10 if offered. As I said above, there is zero chance that both BYU and Utah go to the Pac-10. But also, the only chance that Utah goes is if the Pac 10 can cherry pick Colorado from the Big 12. I don't see what incentive Colorado has to go to the Pac-10 unless the dollar amounts on TV contracts and are more enticing and I don't think that's the case right now. I have yet to see an instance where a team jumped to another conference that is either on the same level or even somewhat lower in stature. It's one thing for Miami to jump from the Big East to the ACC, one conference is clearly better than the other. The Pac-10 is NOT clearly better than the Big 12.

Just for speculation purposes, if Colorado went to the Pac-10, then BYU would be the obvious team to go to the Big 12. BYU would just be excluded from the conference basketball tourney and the no Sunday rule could be dealt with in the minor sports.

Isn't the Big 12 Evangelical territory. I am not so sure they aren't more biggoted and immmovable than the liberals in the PAC 10.