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  • #1

    Seeds and RPIs

    I lifted this from a post on the Ute board. RPI is on the left, seed is in brackets:

    1 (1) Pittsburgh
    2 (2) Duke
    3 (1) North Carolina
    4 (1) Louisville
    5 (2) Michigan St
    6 (2) Oklahoma
    7 (2) Memphis
    8 (1) Connecticut
    9 (5) Utah
    10 (3) Missouri

    I'm not an ardent complainer about BCS conference bias (I understand that ESPN now refers to a group of "Big Six" hoops conferences), but this is really pretty hard to defend. I would say so if it happened to BYU as well.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 03-15-2009, 04:51 PM.
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    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
    I lifted this from a post on the Ute board. RPI is on the left, seed is in brackets:

    1 (1) Pittsburgh
    2 (2) Duke
    3 (1) North Carolina
    4 (1) Louisville
    5 (2) Michigan St
    6 (2) Oklahoma
    7 (2) Memphis
    8 (1) Connecticut
    9 (5) Utah
    10 (3) Missouri

    I'm not an ardent complainer about BCS conference bias (I understand that ESPN now refers to a group of "Big Six" hoops conferences), but this is really pretty hard to defend. I would say so if it happened to BYU as well.
    The committee inserted the Southwest Baptist loss in to the RPI calculations which puts Utah at about 23. Thats why they got a 5.
    *Banned*

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    • #3
      I expect you to be raising heck then.

      Sagarin ratings (through today):
      BYU - 23 (seed 8)
      Utah - 26 (seed 5)

      You can do this with about any of the computer polls, except RPI.

      I really wonder how RPI got this special status of legitimacy. There are Utah-type outlier examples like this every year. Do you really think Utah is the 9th best team in the country?
      At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
      -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
        Do you really think Utah is the 9th best team in the country?
        No, just saying the disparity is striking.

        And I don't know why RPI is such a big deal, but it's my understanding the selection committee pays a lot of attention to it. That's my point, pretty much.
        Last edited by LA Ute; 03-15-2009, 05:09 PM.
        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
        ― W.H. Auden

        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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        • #5
          Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
          The committee inserted the Southwest Baptist loss in to the RPI calculations which puts Utah at about 23. Thats why they got a 5.
          Not disputing your point, just wondering how you know the committee did that?

          By the way, are BYU fans ever going to let go of that SW Baptist lost? It's becoming a bit like "Harline is still open."
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden

          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            It's becoming a bit like "Harline is still open."
            Who said we let that go?
            Get confident, stupid
            -landpoke

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post

              By the way, are BYU fans ever going to let go of that SW Baptist lost? It's becoming a bit like "Harline is still open."
              Haven't you learned that BYU fans don't let anything go yet.
              "Take it to the Bank"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                Who said we let that go?
                Fair enough. I know Ute fans won't let go of Max Hall "pick jokes" for a couple of years either. (And I will keep laughing at them. )
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden

                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
                  Haven't you learned that BYU fans don't let anything go yet.
                  Sure they do. In football they have let go of:

                  every loss to Utah.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                    No, just saying the disparity is striking.

                    And I don't know why RPI is such a big deal, but it's my understanding the selection committee pays a lot of attention to it. That's my point, pretty much.
                    Funny, because I thought you said that not seeding Utah like a 9th ranked team was "pretty hard to defend". I'm not complaining about BYU's seed but I'd say that they have a lot more to complain about than Utah, if we look at nearly every objective measure (except the goofy RPI). They outrank them on nearly every computer ranking and were a foul shot from sweeping them.

                    EDIT: Wow....that sounds grumpier than I mean it. I'm going on 40 hours without sleep and need to go to bed. Point still stands though .
                    At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                    -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                      I lifted this from a post on the Ute board. RPI is on the left, seed is in brackets:

                      1 (1) Pittsburgh
                      2 (2) Duke
                      3 (1) North Carolina
                      4 (1) Louisville
                      5 (2) Michigan St
                      6 (2) Oklahoma
                      7 (2) Memphis
                      8 (1) Connecticut
                      9 (5) Utah
                      10 (3) Missouri

                      I'm not an ardent complainer about BCS conference bias (I understand that ESPN now refers to a group of "Big Six" hoops conferences), but this is really pretty hard to defend. I would say so if it happened to BYU as well.
                      Amazing. Utes think a 5 seed is too high for them.

                      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt0809.htm

                      You do know your RPI is only high because the SW Baptist game is not included, right? You do know SW Baptist was on your schedule, right? They weren't a preseason game.

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                      • #12
                        Someone tell LA Ute that Indy Coug hacked his login.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fiyero View Post
                          Someone tell LA Ute that Indy Coug hacked his login.
                          LOL. When I read this the first thing I thought of was Indycougs spread sheet.

                          I think a 5 for Utah is very fair, and an 8 for BYU is also fair.
                          *Banned*

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                            LOL. When I read this the first thing I thought of was Indycougs spread sheet.

                            I think a 5 for Utah is very fair, and an 8 for BYU is also fair.
                            That is why I am trolling over there. Nothing really to argue about over here.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                              That is why I am trolling over there. Nothing really to argue about over here.
                              I was just typing you a boardmail, congratulating you. Well done.
                              *Banned*

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