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    Austin Collie and "Magic Happens"

    I have never asked this question of my friends who are BYU fans, so I will ask it here: When a player like Austin Collie (who is undeniably a great one) says something like this, does it induce any cringes? Now, I am a father of two sons Austin's age and I have worked with LDS youth for many years, so know young guys lack judgment and sometimes say dumb things. I just wonder what y'all think?

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    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden

    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery
    Tags: &quot;magic happens&quot;, auston collie
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    Nope. No more than stories about tithing in F&T meeintg helping people get a raise at work or some such. Do you tihnk it should?
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
      I have never asked this question of my friends who are BYU fans, so I will ask it here: When a player like Austin Collie (who is undeniably a great one) says something like this, does it induce any cringes? Now, I am a father of two sons Austin's age and I have worked with LDS youth for many years, so know young guys lack judgment and sometimes say dumb things. I just wonder what y'all think?

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      I smile and don't give it a second thought. It should have been a non-issue.
      I'm like LeBron James.
      -mpfunk

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      • #4
        I've never let smack talk from either side or "controversial statements" from either side bother me. It just doesn't.

        The rivalry has too many sensitive ninnies on both sides of it.

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        • #5
          I just chalk it up to a college kid saying something dumb.

          To be honest, the reactions of Ute fans that went berserk about Collie's comment made me laugh. BYU fans have had some great reactions to stupid things said by Ute players too.

          It's a game that really has no bearing on my life, so it's not that big of a deal.
          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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          • #6
            Originally posted by creekster View Post
            Nope. No more than stories about tithing in F&T meeintg helping people get a raise at work or some such. Do you think it should?
            Yeah, I guess I do. IMO, it's one thing to make such statements in fast and testimony meeting, and quite another to make them in the public eye -- and about a football game. But I realize this is an issue on which reasonable people disagree.
            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
            ― W.H. Auden

            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
              But I realize this is an issue on which reasonable people disagree.
              I don't think reasonable people disagree on this. It is unreasonable fans that make an issue out of what the players say.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                Yeah, I guess I do. IMO, it's one thing to make such statements in fast and testimony meeting, and quite another to make them in the public eye -- and about a football game. But I realize this is an issue on which reasonable people disagree.
                The thing is, maybe it is true for him. Maybe living right helps him be disciplined and keep to a training schedule and so on and so it is the absolute truth from his POV. I might be bothered if I thought he was being sarcastic or disingenuous, but as I heard it when he first said it, it doesn't bother me. I wouldn't say it, but it doesn't bother me.
                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                • #9
                  I view it as a very good thing. If players are giving nuanced theological opinions then that means they are spending time "thinking and reflecting" instead lifting, eating, and preparing for the game.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
                    I don't think reasonable people disagree on this. It is unreasonable fans that make an issue out of what the players say.
                    Hmmm. Well, I'm just saying that when Kurt Warner is congratulated on national TV for a great touchdown pass and he gives thanks to God for being so good to him, something about that rubs me the wrong way. (And I really like Kurt Warner,) I don't think that makes me unreasonable. I thought Collie's comment was ungracious. But I know he's just a kid and he was excited, and I know others see such things differently. It's all good.
                    Last edited by LA Ute; 11-20-2008, 04:28 PM. Reason: typo
                    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                    ― W.H. Auden

                    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                      I view it as a very good thing. If players are giving nuanced theological opinions then that means they are spending time "thinking and reflecting" instead lifting, eating, and preparing for the game.
                      A perspective that had not occurred to me. Excellent.
                      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                      ― W.H. Auden

                      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                      • #12
                        Athletes, and sometimes coaches, say these kind of statements all the time. They don't bother me. I'd bet even some ute player has said something like that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                          Hmmm. Well, I'm just saying that when Kurt Warner is congratulated on national TV for a great touchdown pass and he gives thanks to God for being so good to him, something about that rubs me the wrong way. (And I really like Kurt Warner,) I don't think that makes me unreasonable. I thought Collie's comment was ungracious. But I know he's just a kid and he was excited, and I know others see such things differently. It's all good.
                          This goes back to SU's claim that christians must believe in a personal God. Do you believe God could bless someone with athletic prowess in a game or a career and, if so, why shouldn't they give public thanks for it?
                          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SCcoug View Post
                            Athletes, and sometimes coaches, say these kind of statements all the time. They don't bother me. I'd bet even some ute player has said something like that.
                            Oh, no, Ute players never do that. They usually quote Aristotle.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden

                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                              Hmmm. Well, I'm just saying that when Kurt Warner is congratulated on national TV for a great touchdown pass and he gives thanks to God for being so good to him, something about that rubs me the wrong way. (And I really like Kurt Warner,) I don't think that makes me unreasonable. I thought Collie's comment was ungracious. But I know he's just a kid and he was excited, and I know others see such things differently. It's all good.
                              just giving you a hard time. Chalk this up as one of your pet peeves.

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