Don't Fear the Fork: BYU vs. ASU

[wally]

The Big-XII needs to get officiating in synch this off season.

Mark Harlan AGREES. LOL!

[Omaha 680]

Heckler's veto. The Big-XII needs to get officiating in synch this off season. Calls in game for play will always be hard. But the aggression and discipline of coaches, players, and fans in between plays needs to get under control and quick. Shedeur Sanders pushed a ref in the back on Saturday. Stuff like that and the ASU stuff needs to be brought under control.

Agreed. It's possible the officiating crew decided against the penalty because of how unhinged the ASU coach was. That should be MORE reason to throw the flag not, less.

[Shaka]

I honestly wondered if them not throwing a flag or two was more about a possible riot rather than just being chill. I think the intentional grounding would be a no-brainer but they didn't have the guts to call it.

[All-American]

I honestly wondered if them not throwing a flag or two was more about a possible riot rather than just being chill. I think the intentional grounding would be a no-brainer but they didn't have the guts to call it.

I understand there is a subjective element to the grounding penalty that likely isn't met here. Here is the text of the rule:

I. Quarterback who is not outside the tackle box, and is attempting to save yardage, intentionally throws a desperation forward pass that falls incomplete where there is no eligible receiver. Ruling: Intentional Grounding. Penalty: Loss of down at the spot of the foul. The clock starts at the snap.

Here, the throw was not an attempt to save yardage or time-- it was to kill time. Given that, the subjective element may not be there and the no call is probably correct.

[Donuthole]

I understand there is a subjective element to the grounding penalty that likely isn't met here. Here is the text of the rule:



Here, the throw was not an attempt to save yardage or time-- it was to kill time. Given that, the subjective element may not be there and the no call is probably correct.

Disagree. He could go backwards and run around to kill time, but that risks losing yardage. The very purpose of the throw is to run clock without the risk of losing yardage, ie is an attempt to save yardage.

[Omaha 680]

Disagree. He could go backwards and run around to kill time, but that risks losing yardage. The very purpose of the throw is to run clock without the risk of losing yardage, ie is an attempt to save yardage.

Correct. There is no exception in the rule if your intent is to run the clock. You are not allowed to throw the ball clearly away from eligible receivers while inside the tackle box. This was textbook intentional grounding. I would argue it also fits within the spirit of the rule as the forward pass is only allowed under strict requirements for both the receiver and the thrower. It is not meant to be used to waste time outside those restrictions.

[Omaha 680]

Correct. There is no exception in the rule if your intent is to run the clock. You are not allowed to throw the ball clearly away from eligible receivers while inside the tackle box. This was textbook intentional grounding. I would argue it also fits within the spirit of the rule as the forward pass is only allowed under strict requirements for both the receiver and the thrower. It is not meant to be used to waste time outside those restrictions.

Now I'm remembering; wasn't Jake flagged (after much deliberation) for intentional grounding earlier in the game when he intentionally sailed a pass over a sideline route from the tackle box, but put it in about the 20th row? If that was deemed intentional grounding by the crew, what Leavitt did on the second to last play of the game was certainly grounding.

[Bo Diddley]

Now I'm remembering; wasn't Jake flagged (after much deliberation) for intentional grounding earlier in the game when he intentionally sailed a pass over a sideline route from the tackle box, but put it in about the 20th row? If that was deemed intentional grounding by the crew, what Leavitt did on the second to last play of the game was certainly grounding.

I remember a play like that from the Kansas game.

[Omaha 680]

I remember a play like that from the Kansas game.

Ok I may be conflating our two recent huge embarrassing first half performances.

Edit: actually no. I attended the KU game in person and didn't watch it after and i remember the tv rules analyst defending this particular grounding call so it had to be ASU.

[beefytee]

I don't see any grounding penalties in either game.

Arizona State 28-23 BYU (Nov 23, 2024) Play-by-Play - ESPN

Kansas 17-13 BYU (Nov 16, 2024) Play-by-Play - ESPN

[Bo Diddley]

I don't see any grounding penalties in either game.

Arizona State 28-23 BYU (Nov 23, 2024) Play-by-Play - ESPN

Kansas 17-13 BYU (Nov 16, 2024) Play-by-Play - ESPN

Must have been another game I was watching then.

[Omaha 680]

I don't see any grounding penalties in either game.

Arizona State 28-23 BYU (Nov 23, 2024) Play-by-Play - ESPN

Kansas 17-13 BYU (Nov 16, 2024) Play-by-Play - ESPN

I'm going crazy I guess.

[Bo Diddley]

I'm going crazy I guess.

I swear I saw the same thing. He passed it to his right. It went past the sticks, but up in the stands. Could have been another QB in another game I guess.

[chrisrenrut]

I swear I saw the same thing. He passed it to his right. It went past the sticks, but up in the stands. Could have been another QB in another game I guess.

It happened to Utah in the Iowa St game. But I sincerely hope you didn’t waste your time watching that abomination.

[Bo Diddley]

It happened to Utah in the Iowa St game. But I sincerely hope you didn’t waste your time watching that abomination.

I think I might have tuned in for the last couple of minutes.