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  • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    As with Retzlaff, my opinion about Etienne has also changed bigly this year. I thought he was a human turnstile, but he's much, much better and a physical specimen. Must have worked very hard over the summer.
    He has better coaching now.
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    • RANKED 4TH IN CFP!

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      • Originally posted by LVAllen View Post
        RANKED 4TH IN CFP!

        Ha, well 9th and seeded as 4th if this were the final rankings. It could have been worse than 9th but I'm a little uneasy at how low they have us in the initial ranking. Makes me think a one loss BYU probably can't get in.

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        • I’m okay with this. I hope the guys feel disrespected.

          Also, (arguably) for the first time since 1984, BYU controls its destiny to the national championship.
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          • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

            Ha, well 9th and seeded as 4th if this were the final rankings. It could have been worse than 9th but I'm a little uneasy at how low they have us in the initial ranking. Makes me think a one loss BYU probably can't get in.
            This.

            It was nice to have a cheerleader (McIlroy?) on the show, but a bit frustrating that nobody engaged with his arguments. BYU has as many or more wins against teams ranked by the committee than most every other team, no losses, yet is ranked below teams with a loss and/or no wins against ranked teams. Would have been nice to see some "blind" resumes.

            That said, I'm not confident that BYU is better than any of the teams ranked ahead of them, so I'm not going to get too upset about their #9 ranking.

            It was kind of funny that none of the presenters seemed to understand the assumptions that their projector makes (based on the ESPN FPI metric).
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            • Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
              I’m okay with this. I hope the guys feel disrespected.

              Also, (arguably) for the first time since 1984, BYU controls its destiny to the national championship.
              Wait, disrespected as the 4th team in the CFP rankings??

              Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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              • Originally posted by falafel View Post

                Wait, disrespected as the 4th team in the CFP rankings??

                Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
                9th team in the rankings. 4th seed.

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                • Originally posted by falafel View Post

                  Wait, disrespected as the 4th team in the CFP rankings??

                  Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
                  Only a 4th seed because they have to be there as the champion of the b12. They would not get a bye otherwise.

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                  • Originally posted by BigPiney View Post

                    Only a 4th seed because they have to be there as the champion of the b12. They would not get a bye otherwise.
                    Sure. 4th seed! Top 4!

                    I don't care if people think we're only the 9th best team, not the 4th. We'll see you after the bye.
                    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                    "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • Originally posted by falafel View Post

                      Sure. 4th seed! Top 4!

                      I don't care if people think we're only the 9th best team, not the 4th. We'll see you after the bye.
                      The concern being a loss in the Big 12 championship game likely leaves BYU out completely with a 9 rank because it will allow them to drop too far. It's bullshit that a team with this resume has to cosplay a Quest for Perfection season because they aren't getting the respect the math says they deserve.

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                      • Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post

                        The concern being a loss in the Big 12 championship game likely leaves BYU out completely with a 9 rank because it will allow them to drop too far. It's bullshit that a team with this resume has to cosplay a Quest for Perfection season because they aren't getting the respect the math says they deserve.
                        I boldly predict as follows:

                        1. If BYU goes undefeated through the end of the regular season and wins the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                        2. If BYU does not go undefeated through the end of the regular season and wins the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                        3. If BYU goes undefeated through the end of the regular season and loses the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                        4. If BYU does not go undefeated through the end of the regular season and either does not make or loses the CCG, it will not make the playoffs (nor should it).

                        This is entirely in BYU's hands at this point.
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                        • Originally posted by All-American View Post

                          I boldly predict as follows:

                          1. If BYU goes undefeated through the end of the regular season and wins the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                          2. If BYU does not go undefeated through the end of the regular season and wins the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                          3. If BYU goes undefeated through the end of the regular season and loses the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                          4. If BYU does not go undefeated through the end of the regular season and either does not make or loses the CCG, it will not make the playoffs (nor should it).

                          This is entirely in BYU's hands at this point.
                          Totally agree. Seeding would be the only thing that could or should change in those first three scenarios. I think there's still a path (that I don't want to take) for the B12 to send two teams to the playoffs.

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                          • Originally posted by All-American View Post

                            I boldly predict as follows:

                            1. If BYU goes undefeated through the end of the regular season and wins the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                            2. If BYU does not go undefeated through the end of the regular season and wins the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                            3. If BYU goes undefeated through the end of the regular season and loses the CCG, it will make the playoffs.
                            4. If BYU does not go undefeated through the end of the regular season and either does not make or loses the CCG, it will not make the playoffs (nor should it).

                            This is entirely in BYU's hands at this point.
                            I'm not sure we can bank on #3. Hence the angst about the #9 ranking. The committee clearly (currently) thinks the Big Ten + SEC (and potentiall ND) deserve 9 teams and they will allow three other conference champions in.

                            ACC has a much easier path to a 2 team bid than the Big 12 which is more of a concern. I don't see the committee giving 4 spots to the Big 12 + ACC. The only thing that could possibly save BYU under #3 scenario coupled with the ACC being a 2 bid league is one of the ACC bids would be SMU.

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                            • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

                              I'm not sure we can bank on #3. Hence the angst about the #9 ranking. The committee clearly (currently) thinks the Big Ten + SEC (and potentiall ND) deserve 9 teams and they will allow three other conference champions in.

                              ACC has a much easier path to a 2 team bid than the Big 12 which is more of a concern. I don't see the committee giving 4 spots to the Big 12 + ACC. The only thing that could possibly save BYU under #3 scenario coupled with the ACC being a 2 bid league is one of the ACC bids would be SMU.
                              It would be nice for BYU's playoff chances if SMU could win the ACC and if any other ACC teams could end with 2+ losses.

                              The committee seems to love the Big 10 and, to a lesser extent, the SEC. Probably need the non-champions of those leagues to have 3+ losses in order to feel safe with a 1-loss BYU getting an at-large bid.
                              "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                              - Goatnapper'96

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                              • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

                                I'm not sure we can bank on #3. Hence the angst about the #9 ranking. The committee clearly (currently) thinks the Big Ten + SEC (and potentiall ND) deserve 9 teams and they will allow three other conference champions in.

                                ACC has a much easier path to a 2 team bid than the Big 12 which is more of a concern. I don't see the committee giving 4 spots to the Big 12 + ACC. The only thing that could possibly save BYU under #3 scenario coupled with the ACC being a 2 bid league is one of the ACC bids would be SMU.
                                The closest to angst I feel is whether or not we'd still be seed 5 through 8. My guess is not. But I feel almost no angst over getting at least 9 through 12 seed under scenario #3.

                                Feel free to bookmark and rub it in my face if it turns out I'm wrong.
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