Will Heaps Transfer

[Flystripper]

I thought they stopped doing this a while back....or maybe that was the NFL. One of the leagues made it so sack yardage was taken off of passing yardage.

The NFL takes it away from passing yards.

[Moliere]

yeah. However, college stats include sacks as rushes. I am sure he is better then 3.7 if you take out sacks. Not saying he is Michael Vick, but that stat can be deceiving for a QB.

I thought they stopped doing this a while back....or maybe that was the NFL. One of the leagues made it so sack yardage was taken off of passing yardage.

[Flystripper]

Everyone talks about his running but he had 79 carries for 292 yards at Utah State, taht is only 3.7 ypc. His pass efficiency rating was only 115 and he had more ints than tds.

Its not like he was a world beater by any means.

yeah. However, college stats include sacks as rushes. I am sure he is better then 3.7 if you take out sacks. Not saying he is Michael Vick, but that stat can be deceiving for a QB.

[wally]

Bronco has to start Heaps. It's like drafting a qb as the overall #1 and benching him for 2 years.

Bad, bad sign to other top notch recruits. Heaps was the best QB in the nation based on a number of metrics and if he can't start, no other #1 would start at BYU. Bad signal.

Then why is Bronco being so coy about naming Heaps the starter? If they would hurry up and name him the starter then he could be getting the reps he needs to make a huge transition from HS starter to college starter.

[cougjunkie]

Which part of my comment assumes that? I'm guessing you're referring to this:


There's no assumption in there that he's can't throw it a little bit. I'm merely stating that from what I've read our defense in practice is not accounting for the fact that he's going to take off, and at some point teams will.

(If I were assuming that, I would argue that it's not an assumption; but right now I don't see where I was assuming that. There much bigger assumption would be that he can take any defense apart with his arm.)

Everyone talks about his running but he had 79 carries for 292 yards at Utah State, taht is only 3.7 ypc. His pass efficiency rating was only 115 and he had more ints than tds.

Its not like he was a world beater by any means.

[MarkGrace]

Your comment assumes that Nelson can do nothing with his arm. This simply isn't the case. It's tough to design a defense that accounts for a running QB, especially when he has other weapons. Nelson throws well enough he'd take something like that right apart. I read a lot of folks talking about running four four stacks and things like that but that stuff is something that works better in little league and high school rather than the college game.

Also he didn't just beat FSU with the run.

Which part of my comment assumes that? I'm guessing you're referring to this:

And what I'm saying is, you don't think that when the defense switches from something basic to something geared to stop him on the run it won't hamper his performance? There seems to be this impression out there (Hans, some of the defensive players, etc.) that he looks better than he should right now because Jaime doesn't have the defense accounting for the fact that he's going to take off.

There's no assumption in there that he's can't throw it a little bit. I'm merely stating that from what I've read our defense in practice is not accounting for the fact that he's going to take off, and at some point teams will.

(If I were assuming that, I would argue that it's not an assumption; but right now I don't see where I was assuming that. There much bigger assumption would be that he can take any defense apart with his arm.)

[oxcoug]

Bronco has to start Heaps. It's like drafting a qb as the overall #1 and benching him for 2 years.

Bad, bad sign to other top notch recruits. Heaps was the best QB in the nation based on a number of metrics and if he can't start, no other #1 would start at BYU. Bad signal.

The alternative to starting him is to start with a Heaps-Nelson platoon and not name either the formal starter.

This idea always triggers a chorus of boos among Cougar fans but I'm not sure it's as bad of a thing as the conventional wisdom suggests. QB platoons that often are between two QBs who weren't good enough in pre-season to establish themselves. That's not really the case with these two as both have played fairly well. They also often end up being between two QBs who don't compliment each other in their styles - Nelson and Heaps do, and the threat of either coming out on the field would affect both scheme and personnel decisions for opposing teams.

Finally there is psychology which is the real reason I think platoons usually fail. Meaning that the QBs divide the team and they can't get themselves in the right head space to be confident when they know the other guy could replace them at any time. I think Heaps and Nelson and BYU might have a better angle on overcoming this than most platoon situations do, but only time will tell.

[Hallelujah]

If he doesn't start?

This is a topic that local radio guys were discussing when I drove to lunch.

I personally think that if Nelson is chosen to start over Heaps, then Heaps should transfer to somewhere he can play immediatly.

Bronco has to start Heaps. It's like drafting a qb as the overall #1 and benching him for 2 years.

Bad, bad sign to other top notch recruits. Heaps was the best QB in the nation based on a number of metrics and if he can't start, no other #1 would start at BYU. Bad signal.

[Shaka]

And what I'm saying is, you don't think that when the defense switches from something basic to something geared to stop him on the run it won't hamper his performance? There seems to be this impression out there (Hans, some of the defensive players, etc.) that he looks better than he should right now because Jaime doesn't have the defense accounting for the fact that he's going to take off.

And what I'm saying part II is, do you really think that because he has one year experience he's suddenly going to be able to adapt when his previous experience hasn't allowed him to do so in the past? He won one game at FSU when nobody knew he was going to run, and then teams adjusted and he was useless. He spent an entire year at BYU and looked terrible when he actually got on the field. I don't see where his experience has allowed him to succeed against non-basic defenses.

Your comment assumes that Nelson can do nothing with his arm. This simply isn't the case. It's tough to design a defense that accounts for a running QB, especially when he has other weapons. Nelson throws well enough he'd take something like that right apart. I read a lot of folks talking about running four four stacks and things like that but that stuff is something that works better in little league and high school rather than the college game.

Also he didn't just beat FSU with the run.

[MarkGrace]

You're a smart guy so this surprises me.

Heaps has played against base defenses probably since he was in little league so he has a lot of experience with basic defenses. This helps him as long as the BYU practice defenses play in basic formations.

I'm sure the high school defenses he faced were complex to a degree. However I doubt anything he faced from a scheme perspective will come close to what he will face in college.

Nelson has at least one year of prep for college defenses while Heaps doesn't have any. This may help Nelson when the time comes for the scout team defense to start simulating a real game situation when the defenses become more complex. This hasn't happened yet.

And what I'm saying is, you don't think that when the defense switches from something basic to something geared to stop him on the run it won't hamper his performance? There seems to be this impression out there (Hans, some of the defensive players, etc.) that he looks better than he should right now because Jaime doesn't have the defense accounting for the fact that he's going to take off.

And what I'm saying part II is, do you really think that because he has one year experience he's suddenly going to be able to adapt when his previous experience hasn't allowed him to do so in the past? He won one game at FSU when nobody knew he was going to run, and then teams adjusted and he was useless. He spent an entire year at BYU and looked terrible when he actually got on the field. I don't see where his experience has allowed him to succeed against non-basic defenses.

[Shaka]

I guess I don't understand your point, then.

You're a smart guy so this surprises me.

Heaps has played against base defenses probably since he was in little league so he has a lot of experience with basic defenses. This helps him as long as the BYU practice defenses play in basic formations.

I'm sure the high school defenses he faced were complex to a degree. However I doubt anything he faced from a scheme perspective will come close to what he will face in college.

Nelson has at least one year of prep for college defenses while Heaps doesn't have any. This may help Nelson when the time comes for the scout team defense to start simulating a real game situation when the defenses become more complex. This hasn't happened yet.

[Green Monstah]

You said it. Pat White is not near the athlete or qb that Pryor is and he was a second round pick.

Time will tell. Pryor is quite simply not that good (as a QB).

[DU Ute]

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[wally]

I would actually love to have Nelson on Utah's roster. He would make a very good safety or slot receiver. He would be killer in Utah's running game as well at the slot receiver position. Nelson has lot of skill and athleticism and if he would give up his dream to play QB he could have a really good college career. I think Cain is better at Nelson in going through his progressions and has a little big stronger of an arm. Cain isn't much better than Nelson, but he is good enough that he would edge him out on Utah's roster.

Perfect. Nelson should transfer to Utah, sit his jr. year and start as safety his Sr. year. It will be his best shot at the nfl. Plus he could play at 3 in-state schools and spurn two.

[wally]

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