Nice QB recruit, Utes

[LA Ute]

Oh, I recognize the U. I don't begrudge the drum and feather logo either, even though it is obviously copied from the Washington Redskins. Same with the U hand sign, Ute Walk, et al.

These are great traditions and if you are going to steal them, might as well steal them from storied franchises.

Like that Y logo, which everyone outside Utah thinks stands for Yale. Ironic that the Harvard of the West would be mistaken for Handsome Dan's school.

[il Padrino Ute]

Oh, I recognize the U. I don't begrudge the drum and feather logo either, even though it is obviously copied from the Washington Redskins. Same with the U hand sign, Ute Walk, et al.

These are great traditions and if you are going to steal them, might as well steal them from storied franchises.

I'm calling you out.

Prove it. Empirical evidence, please, not supposition.

I'll grant you the Ute walk. That is stolen. But the rest?

[All-American]

I'm calling you out.

Prove it. Empirical evidence, please, not supposition.

I'll grant you the Ute walk. That is stolen. But the rest?

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/

The redskins first used the drum and feather in 1970; Utah, in 1975. Designed by Vince Lombardi, apparently.

[cougjunkie]

I'm calling you out.

Prove it. Empirical evidence, please, not supposition.

I'll grant you the Ute walk. That is stolen. But the rest?

Here is the redskins logo history all the way back to 1937. Looks like they adopted the logo most similar to Utahs back in 1970-1971.

http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=168

Utah did not adopt the drum and feather until at least 1975.

http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?...31v0gapgueoyg2

So that is copied.

[il Padrino Ute]

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/

The redskins first used the drum and feather in 1970; Utah, in 1975.

Ok, the drum and feather were stolen.

Now the big one. Where's the proof of the U hand sign?

[cougjunkie]

Like that Y logo, which everyone outside Utah thinks stands for Yale. Ironic that the Harvard of the West would be mistaken for Handsome Dan's school.

By the way Yale did not officially adopt any sort of Y as part of their logo until 1972.

http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?...y63ahp2bnd5fti

BYU had adopted a Y as part of their logo 6 years later in 1978. However BYU used strictly the Y as their logo. Yale used the bulldog and a Y.

http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?...foz3i8veh20gwu

Yale did not start using the Y as the main piece of their logo until 1998.
http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?...br3701ofbsd567

20 years after BYU.

[cougjunkie]

Ok, the drum and feather were stolen.

Now the big one. Where's the proof of the U hand sign?

The proof for that is common sense. Nobody saw that being used by Utah fans until at least 2004.

The Miami Hurricanes have been using it since the early eighties.

That one is obvious and not really arguable.

[All-American]

The proof for that is common sense. Nobody saw that being used by Utah fans until at least 2004.

The Miami Hurricanes have been using it since the early eighties.

That one is obvious and not really arguable.

Oh, and Miami put the U on their helmet in 1972.

[il Padrino Ute]

The proof for that is common sense. Nobody saw that being used by Utah fans until at least 2004.

The Miami Hurricanes have been using it since the early eighties.

That one is obvious and not really arguable.

It's obvious to you, perhaps because you're young and haven't lived in Utah all your life.

My brother in law played baseball for the U in the mid 70s. The baseball players would flash the U with their hands to each other and other sports athletes when he was in school there.

[All-American]

I'm willing to concede that both versions of the U hand gesture arose independent of the other if you are willing to concede that they are both lame. I won't make you admit that Miami's is somewhat less lame.

[il Padrino Ute]

I'm willing to concede that both versions of the U hand gesture arose independent of the other if you are willing to concede that they are both lame. I won't make you admit that Miami's is somewhat less lame.

Miami's hand signal is lame.

The real U's hand signal rocks.

[All-American]

Miami's hand signal is lame.

The real U's hand signal rocks.

False.

Miami's gesture evokes more of this feel:



Whereas Utah inspires thoughts of a different kind:

[YOhio]

I'm calling you out.

Prove it. Empirical evidence, please, not supposition.

I'll grant you the Ute walk. That is stolen. But the rest?

"Prove that we stole it! Prove it!!!"

[YOhio]

My brother in law played baseball for the U in the mid 70s. The baseball players would flash the U with their hands to each other and other sports athletes when he was in school there.

:bsflag:

[il Padrino Ute]

"Prove that we stole it! Prove it!!!"

You're late to this. All but the hand signal has been proven stolen.

However, I'll give you points for trying.