The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[UtahDan]

When this occurs the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth will be epic. It will put what happened after the Sugar Bowl to shame. And just like the Sugar Bowl, with in a couple of months it will be pathetically claimed that it is not significant. But the air is already pregnant around here with the looming disappointment and shattering of paradigms that approaches. I can seriously hardly wait. There will be blood this summer.

[Mormon Red Death]

Your first paragraph doesn't do much to bolster your latest conclusion.

In the spirit of fairness, I will commit to looking up the definition of rumor. I will try to do that sometime today.

my latest conclusion is that I believe enough that I am willing to take bets that it happens. its still a rumor but nonetheless a rumor I believe.

[SCcoug]

Now I know what all the utes are talking about when they say something is going down on June 11.

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[Donuthole]

I like to think I'm not the only BYU fan who isn't really threatened by the prospect of Utah going to the Pac-11ish, even assuming BYU gets left in the MWC. In fact, such an outcome gives BYU a Jordan-has-the-flu situation every year in the Holy War. If BYU wins, they beat a mighty BCS team. If they lose, well, they were supposed to lose, as they were playing a might BCS team. Win-win for BYU. Lose-lose for Utah.

[SeattleUte]

Your first paragraph doesn't do much to bolster your latest conclusion.

In the spirit of fairness, I will commit to looking up the definition of rumor. I will try to do that sometime today.

3D, I want your position clear on this, for posterity and future reference. Your position is that Utah to the Pac 10 isn't going to happen, no way no how not ever. You warrant this. Did I get that right?

[beefytee]

I like to think I'm not the only BYU fan who isn't really threatened by the prospect of Utah going to the Pac-11ish, even assuming BYU gets left in the MWC. In fact, such an outcome gives BYU a Jordan-has-the-flu situation every year in the Holy War. If BYU wins, they beat a mighty BCS team. If they lose, well, they were supposed to lose, as they were playing a might BCS team. Win-win for BYU. Lose-lose for Utah.

As long as BYU doesn't become like Utah State where the wins are few and far between.

Given BYU's recent success against Pac-10 teams, I'm not too worried.

[Donuthole]

As long as BYU doesn't become like Utah State where the wins are few and far between.

Given BYU's recent success against Pac-10 teams, I'm not too worried.

BYU has a built-in recruiting base that USU can only dream of. In reality, BYU and Utah aren't really going head to head for many of the same recruits. And most of the ones they would go head to head for already have their minds made up.

Both BYU and Utah fan bases are quite delusional when it comes to their opinions of how recruiting would be opened-up by BCS status. Ib reality, there just aren't that many Texan and/or Californian atheltes who are dying to get to the Wasatch front, if only they could have a shot at a BCS title.

So Utah goes to the PAC-10 and BYU stays in the MWC. What's going to happen? Utah is going to run a team out there that is faster and more athletic than BYU's RM-centric team?

[TripletDaddy]

When this occurs the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth will be epic. It will put what happened after the Sugar Bowl to shame. And just like the Sugar Bowl, with in a couple of months it will be pathetically claimed that it is not significant. But the air is already pregnant around here with the looming disappointment and shattering of paradigms that approaches. I can seriously hardly wait. There will be blood this summer.

you are predicting that when something happens between two rival schools, the response is either indifference or animosity.

how do you come up with this stuff? BYU fans are now in a corner. either way, UtahDan will be able to say, "I told you so!."

My prediction: if it happens, some Ute fans will gloat and some will feign indifference at the excitement while secretly happy to have one upped Big Brother. I also predict that at some point in the future, UtahDan will post another jpg.

these are just guesses, of course.

[UtahDan]

you are predicting that when something happens between two rival schools, the response is either indifference or animosity.

how do you come up with this stuff? BYU fans are now in a corner. either way, UtahDan will be able to say, "I told you so!."

My prediction: if it happens, some Ute fans will gloat and some will feign indifference at the excitement while secretly happy to have one upped Big Brother. I also predict that at some point in the future, UtahDan will post another jpg.

these are just guesses, of course.

See, you're already acting like it is not a big deal. Already trying to blunt the heavy emotional blow. But maybe you are kidding, because you don't think this can happen, right?

[SCcoug]

Both BYU and Utah fan bases are quite delusional when it comes to their opinions of how recruiting would be opened-up by BCS status. Ib reality, there just aren't that many Texan and/or Californian atheltes who are dying to get to the Wasatch front, if only they could have a shot at a BCS title.

So Utah goes to the PAC-10 and BYU stays in the MWC. What's going to happen? Utah is going to run a team out there that is faster and more athletic than BYU's RM-centric team?

I agree with the point you are making but would BYU being in a BCS league have made a difference for some of the local/LDS talent that went else where, like say Xaivier or Havili ect. I believe recruiting would largely be the same but perhaps BYU picks up one of the blue chip LDS kids who would have gone elsewhere to play in a BCS league.

[Solon]

you are predicting that when something happens between two rival schools, the response is either indifference or animosity.

how do you come up with this stuff? BYU fans are now in a corner. either way, UtahDan will be able to say, "I told you so!."

My prediction: if it happens, some Ute fans will gloat and some will feign indifference at the excitement while secretly happy to have one upped Big Brother. I also predict that at some point in the future, UtahDan will post another jpg.

these are just guesses, of course.

Not to put words in UD's mouth, but I think he presented it as a process where first, BYU fans would be upset, and then they would be dismissive. Not the same as presenting two alternatives.

As the Harvard of the West, I expect the BYU to oppose big-time collegiate athletics as detrimental to the ideals of amateurism. Seriously, though, if something like this played out, it might be a good opportunity for the byu to boost its already excellent academic reputation by de-emphasizing big-time intercollegiate athletics (as Chicago did when it dropped football and left the big-10 in the 30s and 40s).

[Donuthole]

I agree with the point you are making but would BYU being in a BCS league have made a difference for some of the local/LDS talent that went else where, like say Xaivier or Havili ect. I believe recruiting would largely be the same but perhaps BYU picks up one of the blue chip LDS kids who would have gone elsewhere to play in a BCS league.

I think most BYU and Utah fans tell themselves this because it makes them feel better about losing out on those kids. In reality, many (if not most) of those kids have their minds made up to play at the biggest name school they can get into, but they keep BYU and/or Utah on their lists to appease friends, family, and to keep the local media off their backs.

Would Utah land the occasional blue-chipper that they might not land as a member of the MWC? Sure. Is that blue-chipper guaranteed to be any better than the 3-star kid they would have landed otherwise? No. Would landing the occasional blue-chipper end up being the difference between the BYU-Utah rivalry now, and the Utah-USU or BYU-USU rivalries? Hardly.

[TripletDaddy]

See, you're already acting like it is not a big deal. Already trying to blunt the heavy emotional blow. But maybe you are kidding, because you don't think this can happen, right?

my prediction is already coming true. you are feigning indifference at the excitement of possibly having something that one-ups Big Brother.

all that is left is for you to post a pic.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

But the air is already pregnant around here with the looming disappointment and shattering of paradigms that approaches. I can seriously hardly wait.

Can we do a Maury Povich "You are NOT the father" thread to determine paternity?

[UtahDan]

my prediction is already coming true. you are feigning indifference at the excitement of possibly having something that one-ups Big Brother.

all that is left is for you to post a pic.

Did you read my first post? That isn't indifference, it is scarcely containable anticipation and excitement! Don't worry, I have plenty of pics for when this happens. I've been saving them. They will appear when the moment is right.