If BYU had beaten Arizona in 2008, would Utah have been elected no. 1 in the AP Poll?

[Indy Coug]

For you MOV mavens, Utah's 2008 MOV's:



I count four wins of seven points or less out of 13, and one of these was against the no. 7 team in the final poll. There were also blowout wins against the no. 14 and the no. 4 team.

Your counting sucks. Utah had 5 wins by 7 points or less.

P.S. 14 points is not a blowout win

[SeattleUte]

For you MOV mavens, Utah's 2008 MOV's:

2008 Football Schedule and Results
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
August 30 at Michigan W 25-23 1-0 (0-0)
September 6 UNLV W 42-21 2-0 (1-0)
September 13 at Utah State W 58-10 3-0 (1-0)
September 20 at Air Force W 30-23 4-0 (2-0)
September 27 Weber State W 37-21 5-0 (2-0)
October 2 Oregon State W 31-28 6-0 (2-0)
October 11 at Wyoming W 40-7 7-0 (3-0)
October 18 Colorado State W 49-16 8-0 (4-0)
November 1 at New Mexico W 13-10 9-0 (5-0)
November 6 No. 12 TCU W 13-10 10-0 (6-0)
November 15 at San Diego State W 63-14 11-0 (7-0)
November 22 No. 14 Brigham Young W 48-24 12-0 (8-0)
January 2 vs. No. 4 Alabama* W 31-17 13-0 (8-0)

I count four wins of seven points or less out of 13, and one of these was against the no. 7 team in the final poll. There were also blowout wins against the no. 14 and the no. 4 team.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I am not exactly sure how to interpret this post. Should HotLunch or I be offended?

I find that if there is ever any question on whether to take offense, the default should be to take offense.

[Jeff Lebowski]

If you're going to refer me to Lebowski or HotLunch about MOV, then you have effectively depantsed yourself.

I am not exactly sure how to interpret this post. Should HotLunch or I be offended?

[SeattleUte]

And?

I see five wins of 7 points or less, against bad teams. Utah was bad and BYU only beat it by 10.

[Indy Coug]

BCS doesn't consider MOV's for good reason. They are, I think we can all agree, the most unreliable means to determining a team's strength. This is especially so since the teams play such readically disparate schedules. Who cares about the RUTS/moral issue. MOV is a stupid thing to consider, especically when teams have played completely different schedules.

Not if you take into account BOTH the MOV and SOS.

[SeattleUte]

I'm all for you using computer polls in your arguments. I think they're the best ranking system. But you should do a little research first to know what you're talking about.

BCS doesn't consider MOV's for good reason. They are, I think we can all agree, the most unreliable means to determining a team's strength. This is especially so since the teams play such readically disparate schedules. Who cares about the RUTS/moral issue. MOV is a stupid thing to consider, especically when teams have played completely different schedules.

[Indy Coug]

Check out BYU 1984 MOV's (check out against whom):

And?

[SeattleUte]

Check out BYU 1984 MOV's (check out against whom):

1984
Date BYU Opp.
9/1 20 at Pittsburgh 14
9/8 47 Baylor 13
9/15 38 Tulsa 15
9/22 18 at Hawaii 13
10/6 52 at Colorado St. 9
10/13 41 Wyoming (H) 38
10/20 30 at Air Force 25
10/25 48 at New Mexico 0
11/3 42 UTEP 9
11/10 34 San Diego St. 3
11/17 24 at Utah 14
11/24 38 Utah St. 13
12/21 24 ^ Michigan (B) 17

Indy, how many of these opponents had winning records (despite their own weak schedules)?

[jay santos]

"Crappy BCS bowls"? LOL. That's the gold standard.

You're wrong. Utah was the consensus champ per the computers, which don't have agendas, which don't know how to lie:

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...light=computer

I'm all for you using computer polls in your arguments. I think they're the best ranking system. But you should do a little research first to know what you're talking about.

[Indy Coug]

MOV. LOL. Talk to Lebowski about MOV. Or talk to Saben. Neither of those teams have been MOV world beaters this year.

Hot Lunch has lectured me on worthlessness of MOV.

If you're going to refer me to Lebowski or HotLunch about MOV, then you have effectively depantsed yourself.

[SeattleUte]

You mean computer polls that where using margin of victory was expressly verboten?

That's like saying you have the fastest car based on a downhill race where the car is out of gas and gravity is the only accelerant.

MOV. LOL. Talk to Lebowski about MOV. Or talk to Saben. Neither of those teams have been MOV world beaters this year.

Hot Lunch has lectured me on worthlessness of MOV.

[Indy Coug]

"Crappy BCS bowls"? LOL. That's the gold standard.

You're wrong. Utah was the consensus champ per the computers, which don't have agendas, which don't know how to lie:

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...light=computer

You mean computer polls that where using margin of victory was expressly verboten?

That's like saying you have the fastest car based on a downhill race where the car is out of gas and gravity is the only accelerant.

[SeattleUte]

http://www.mratings.com/cf/arch/compare2008.htm

SU, you need to review the most well known computer polls and where they had Utah in 2008.

Looks like basically none of them had Utah #1 except for a couple of the crappy BCS polls which exclude the scores as input.

"Crappy BCS bowls"? LOL. That's the gold standard.

You're wrong. Utah was the consensus champ per the computers, which don't have agendas, which don't know how to lie:

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...light=computer

[Indy Coug]

In fact, has the U ever even played a #1 ranked team, regardless of W/L result?

Here are the highest ranked teams Utah has faced (as of the time the game was played).

1984 BYU (3rd)
1989 Nebraska (4th)
2008 Alabama (4th)
1977 Oklahoma (5th) -- score 62-24
1990 BYU (5th)

As far as where teams ended up being ranked

1984 BYU (1st)
1975 Arizona State (2nd)
2001 Oregon (2nd)
1986 Arizona State (4th) -- score 52-7
1945 Oklahoma State (5th)
1996 BYU (5th)
2006 Boise State (5th) -- score 36-3