NBA 2013-2014

[MartyFunkhouser]

Wizards 7-1 in spite of Andre Miller hitting less than 40% of his shots since joining the team.

Nice wins as well Cleveland, Orlando, Utah, Philly, Milwaukee.



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I know it is really important to you to be accurate with shooting percentages. You might want to check those numbers again.

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[Surfah]

Sometimes a player's value isn't measured by shooting percentage.

The players, coaches, and management of the Wizards disagree with you.


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Andre Miller is interesting. He's had a really nice NBA career. Everyone (except Brian Shaw) seems to love him and his skills as a floor general are highly regarded. But he been bounced around his entire career. Why can't he stick with a team? He's on his 7th team in 15 years and may be on his 8th team next year. Even when he has stayed someplace more than a year he's the subject of trade rumors.

[cougjunkie]

Andre Miller is interesting. He's had a really nice NBA career. Everyone (except Brian Shaw) seems to love him and his skills as a floor general are highly regarded. But he been bounced around his entire career. Why can't he stick with a team? He's on his 7th team in 15 years and may be on his 8th team next year. Even when he has stayed someplace more than a year he's the subject of trade rumors.

Role player. He has also never been out of the first round.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

Role player. He has also never been out of the first round.

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How many role players finish in the top 10 of a major statistical category?

That being said it is fair to use team success in evaluating him as an nba player. However, you oddly discount team success in evaluating his college career.

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[cougjunkie]

Role player. He has also never been out of the first round.

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How many role players finish in the top 10 of a major statistical category?

That being said it is fair to use team success in evaluating him as an nba player. However, you oddly discount team success in evaluating his college career.

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Mediocrity combined with longevity. It is not hard to do. Rod Strickland is also on the list. Andre Miller averages fewer than 7 assists per game in his career and averaged double digit assists for a season only once.

I give him credit for playing a below the rim old mans game and staying healthy.

He is like a .275 hitter that plays for 20 seasons who ham and eggs his way to 3000 hits.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

Mediocrity combined with longevity. It is not hard to do. Rod Strickland is also on the list. Andre Miller averages fewer than 7 assists per game in his career and averaged double digit assists for a season only once.

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Fair point. I disagree with it, but don't care to debate it.

What about your inconsistency with when team success matters.

By the way, I wouldn't call Rod Strickland a role player.

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[cougjunkie]

Fair point. I disagree with it, but don't care to debate it.

What about your inconsistency with when team success matters.

By the way, I wouldn't call Rod Strickland a role player.

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Were Cal Ripken or Robin Yount great players? Most think they were very good. But when you dig deeper in to the numbers they were average to above average players that were able to stay healthy and play for a long time.

Miller deserves credit for that it is a difficult thing to do. His old man game helps for sure.

I am not sure what your argument is with regards to team success he never won a title in college and he won't win one in the nba.

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[San Juan Sun]

LOL @ propping Miller for beating teams actively trying to tank.

[TripletDaddy]

If Andre miller could read all this arguing, I think he would disapprove!

[cougjunkie]

If Andre miller could read all this arguing, I think he would disapprove!

To bad big Rick isn't around to read it to him.

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[The_Douger]

Fair point. I disagree with it, but don't care to debate it.

What about your inconsistency with when team success matters.

By the way, I wouldn't call Rod Strickland a role player.

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What is Rod Strickland though? A third guy on a good team? Miller is just like an average third or fourth player on a decent team. He is a good locker room guy. Solid but unspectacular. He's never made an all NBA team that I can recall. I think he earned some honors as a rookie and led the league in assists once or twice early in his career. Strickland is a similar comparison, but even he made an all NBA team at some point. Lots of role players do well in one particular category.

Nobody's being critical of Andre Miller here. You could certainly do worse than the type of career he's had.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Were Cal Ripken or Robin Yount great players? Most think they were very good. But when you dig deeper in to the numbers they were average to above average players that were able to stay healthy and play for a long time.

Miller deserves credit for that it is a difficult thing to do. His old man game helps for sure.

I am not sure what your argument is with regards to team success he never won a title in college and he won't win one in the nba.

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You can play dumb all you want, but you know exactly what I'm talking about with the team success argument. It is the comparison of Andre Miller's stellar tournament record, stellar tournament success, and actually stepping up to get his team to do something special in the tournament, in comparison to Fredette's mediocrity when it matter most.

By the way, to address the role player claims. Andre Miller was the best player on both Philly teams that made the playoffs. His last year in Portland a lot of people thought he was the best and most consistent player on the team. Even if want to call him a role player, that is fine because he has had a very good NBA career even if just a role player.

His career assists are now dipped down to 6.9, under 7 per game. Of course, if he retires at the time that most PGs retire he is still top 10 in assists an average over at 7.0 apg or higher.

His NBA career has been very good and he has consistently been underrated. He is also the smartest player in the NBA. No one in the NBA right now knows the game better than Miller.

[New Mexican Disaster]

You can play dumb all you want, but you know exactly what I'm talking about with the team success argument. It is the comparison of Andre Miller's stellar tournament record, stellar tournament success, and actually stepping up to get his team to do something special in the tournament, in comparison to Fredette's mediocrity when it matter most.

By the way, to address the role player claims. Andre Miller was the best player on both Philly teams that made the playoffs. His last year in Portland a lot of people thought he was the best and most consistent player on the team. Even if want to call him a role player, that is fine because he has had a very good NBA career even if just a role player.

His career assists are now dipped down to 6.9, under 7 per game. Of course, if he retires at the time that most PGs retire he is still top 10 in assists an average over at 7.0 apg or higher.

His NBA career has been very good and he has consistently been underrated. He is also the smartest player in the NBA. No one in the NBA right now knows the game better than Miller.

Calling Andre Miller a role player is completely ridiculous at least until the last couple of years. He was a just beneath All-Star caliber player for about 10-12 of the years of his career. If he was a role player everyone but the All_Stars are role players. He has had a tremendous career and is incredibly consistent.

[Moliere]

You can play dumb all you want, but you know exactly what I'm talking about with the team success argument. It is the comparison of Andre Miller's stellar tournament record, stellar tournament success, and actually stepping up to get his team to do something special in the tournament, in comparison to Fredette's mediocrity when it matter most.

By the way, to address the role player claims. Andre Miller was the best player on both Philly teams that made the playoffs. His last year in Portland a lot of people thought he was the best and most consistent player on the team. Even if want to call him a role player, that is fine because he has had a very good NBA career even if just a role player.

His career assists are now dipped down to 6.9, under 7 per game. Of course, if he retires at the time that most PGs retire he is still top 10 in assists an average over at 7.0 apg or higher.

His NBA career has been very good and he has consistently been underrated. He is also the smartest player in the NBA. No one in the NBA right now knows the game better than Miller.

He's had a good NBA career but he's definitely a role player. Being the best player on a team that makes the playoffs, while being a small accomplishment, isn't anything of notoriety....especially when you consider that teams make the playoffs when their records are under .500.

The interesting thing about Miller is that he's never been on a really good team in the NBA. Interpret that all you want, but it seems that the last thing he's capable of is elevating the play of the other people around him. He's certainly no star in that regard so I put him in my list of good role players. He's kind of like a poor man's Eddie Jones (because EJ went to the all-star game three times).

[wapiti]

For someone who is so smart, why didn't Miller ever learn how to shoot?