Baseball strategy question...........

[TripletDaddy]

Sorry just got home.

We walked him, next batter doubled off the fence, clearing the bases and we lost. (Fils was right on)

I did not want to walk him I was firmly in the pitch to him camp.

Today we were in the exact same situation. In fact same score, 2nd and 3rd bottom of the last inning and 2 outs. We elected to pitch to the kid (who was 0-4 at that point) and he jacked one out. We lost both of our games in this tournament on walk off hits.

You should have slow pitched to him aggressively, hoping the batter would strike out on off speed 4 mph pitches.

[TripletDaddy]

Anyone who thinks the pitches are exactly the same hasn't played in a serious league. Certainly not as great a variation as baseball, but there are good and bad pitchers in softball.

lol.

EPU, you need to play in a more serious league before you say stuff like this.

[Surfah]

lol.

EPU, you need to play in a more serious league before you say stuff like this.

Fils is right though. On sponsored level travel tournament teams pitchers have a handful of different pitches and can hit any part of the strikezone they like. When you start 1 and 1 and have an inconsistent ump, pitchers will throw junk balls when they're ahead in the count knowing you have to swing at it rather than risk striking out looking, which is an unpardonable sin in softball.

[filsdepac]

lol.

EPU, you need to play in a more serious league before you say stuff like this.

[jay santos]

Fils is right though. On sponsored level travel tournament teams pitchers have a handful of different pitches and can hit any part of the strikezone they like. When you start 1 and 1 and have an inconsistent ump, pitchers will throw junk balls when they're ahead in the count knowing you have to swing at it rather than risk striking out looking, which is an unpardonable sin in softball.

Triplet looking like an idiot in this thread. But im guessing he wont back down.

[TripletDaddy]

Triplet looking like an idiot in this thread. But im guessing he wont back down.

I wonder what the final score of junkies game was. Was it a pitchers duel, with two softball assassins on the mound keeping the combined score below 50 runs? That is some filthy stuff.

[filsdepac]

I wonder what the final score of junkies game was. Was it a pitchers duel, with two softball assassins on the mound keeping the combined score below 50 runs? That is some filthy stuff.

So you're arguing that bc junkies game had 45 runs there is no variation in how to pitch in softball. Got it.

[TripletDaddy]

So you're arguing that bc junkies game had 45 runs there is no variation in how to pitch in softball. Got it.

I don't recall making that argument.

Did you see all 45 runs? The pitchers must have been dealing. Did they break out the 5 mph heat? When does a manager decide that a slow pitch softball player just doesn't have the stuff.....after 20 runs?

[EuropeanFootballMale]

Dumbest argument in the history of the internet

[filsdepac]

I don't recall making that argument.

Did you see all 45 runs? The pitchers must have been dealing. Did they break out the 5 mph heat? When does a manager decide that a slow pitch softball player just doesn't have the stuff.....after 20 runs?

This is retarded, it's not about speed, it's location.

[Levin]

This is retarded, it's not about speed, it's location.

What DDD obviously can't understand b/c he does it so often is that, in refusing to admit when he's wrong, he makes it even more obvious how wrong he was (in addition to looking like an ass)

[TripletDaddy]

This is retarded, it's not about speed, it's location.

You should take that up with EPU. I never said the pitches were exactly the same.

EPU seemed to feel that stratagem based on pitching in slow pitch softball was folly. I know EPUs bona fides in baseball. I'm unaware of yours. Or Levins. Apparently you played in a serious league or something along those lines.

But if it clears things up, I will go ahead and stipulate that not every single pitch in slow pitch softball is exactly the same. From what I'm reading here, the really good slow pitch softball pitcher can place a 4mph pitch on any one of the 4 corners of the plate en route to giving up 10-20 runs a game. That is some serious skill.

[filsdepac]

You should take that up with EPU. I never said the pitches were exactly the same.

EPU seemed to feel that stratagem based on pitching in slow pitch softball was folly. I know EPUs bona fides in baseball. I'm unaware of yours. Or Levins. Apparently you played in a serious league or something along those lines.

But if it clears things up, I will go ahead and stipulate that not every single pitch in slow pitch softball is exactly the same. From what I'm reading here, the really good slow pitch softball pitcher can place a 4mph pitch on any one of the 4 corners of the plate en route to giving up 10-20 runs a game. That is some serious skill.

I guess I thought you said bingo to ipu's assertion, maybe not. I think jays point was to throw him bad pitches (not even hitting the corners, just out side, in the dirt, etc.), which is a good idea, that's all.

[jay santos]

You should take that up with EPU. I never said the pitches were exactly the same.

EPU seemed to feel that stratagem based on pitching in slow pitch softball was folly. I know EPUs bona fides in baseball. I'm unaware of yours. Or Levins. Apparently you played in a serious league or something along those lines.

But if it clears things up, I will go ahead and stipulate that not every single pitch in slow pitch softball is exactly the same. From what I'm reading here, the really good slow pitch softball pitcher can place a 4mph pitch on any one of the 4 corners of the plate en route to giving up 10-20 runs a game. That is some serious skill.

DDD, let me speak slowly and clearly so you understand.

Pitch 1: a foot outside the plate, a foot short. A disciplined batter lets the pitch go, but some guys will swing. If a guy does reach for it, he still might get a good bat on it, but there's a higher chance he'll ground out or pop out.

Pitch 2: high and inside (think it would land on the batter's head). Batter's less likely to swing at this one as it's almost impossible to make good connection on a pitch like this.

Pitch 3: Batter's really chomping at the bit. Tying run's on base and he wants to be a hero. Another pitch a foot outside and a foot short. Batter can't help himself and swings, grounding out. If he lets it go, he walks and there's no harm done as a walk was a positive outcome going into the at bat for the pitcher.

DDD: maybe you should follow Wuap's example on posting in sports threads.

[TripletDaddy]

DDD, let me speak slowly and clearly so you understand.

Pitch 1: a foot outside the plate, a foot short. A disciplined batter lets the pitch go, but some guys will swing. If a guy does reach for it, he still might get a good bat on it, but there's a higher chance he'll ground out or pop out.

Pitch 2: high and inside (think it would land on the batter's head). Batter's less likely to swing at this one as it's almost impossible to make good connection on a pitch like this.

Pitch 3: Batter's really chomping at the bit. Tying run's on base and he wants to be a hero. Another pitch a foot outside and a foot short. Batter can't help himself and swings, grounding out. If he lets it go, he walks and there's no harm done as a walk was a positive outcome going into the at bat for the pitcher.

DDD: maybe you should follow Wuap's example on posting in sports threads.

Pitch 4: another 4 mph meatball that the batter crushes en route to scoring another 25 runs. Actually isn't this what actually happened in the game we are discussing? How many times does a batter strike out in slow pitch softball? It is so shockingly embarrassing that someone earlier said that it is the cardinal sin in men's softball.

I think the fundamental difference here is that you seem to be taking slow pitch softball seriously, at least the pitching component. EPU has played baseball, which is probably why he doesn't see much point in softball pitching strategy. I happen to agree with him but you are free to believe that the same pitchers that are giving up over 15 runs a game are also very skilled and strategic.