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  • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

    No, I can physically run. My life is just too busy since I teach seminary and then head directly to work only to come home and prepare tomorrow’s lesson and help kids with homework.
    My two-year stint as an early morning seminary teacher was the hardest time in my life to exercise regularly. I empathize.

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    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

      No, I can physically run. My life is just too busy since I teach seminary and then head directly to work only to come home and prepare tomorrow’s lesson and help kids with homework.
      Oh yeah, that is a huge time commitment. You are a good man.

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      • Eleven cyclists killed in Utah so far this year.

        According to the latest numbers from the Utah Department of Transportation, Utah has seen 11 fatalities, more than any previous year in the past decade, and there are still five months left in the year.

        In 2021, there were six reported deaths. In 2020, there were eight, and in 2019, there were six.
        Most of my miles are on the trails. It's getting more dangerous out there.

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        • I always try to give them as wide a berth as possible (might be one of you guys), but I have seen more of a failure to maintain any predictible course of travel by cyclists lately. Not sure what the cause, but I would be interested to see the results of any investigation as to fault for the 11 accidents.
          “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance.” Aroldis Chapman

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          • Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
            Eleven cyclists killed in Utah so far this year.



            Most of my miles are on the trails. It's getting more dangerous out there.
            That's an alarming amount of deaths. I don't like riding in Utah because of the amount of traffic. I feel fairly safe of these open Idaho country roads but you never know, all it takes is one teenager texting and not paying attention.

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            • Originally posted by Copelius View Post
              I always try to give them as wide a berth as possible (might be one of you guys), but I have seen more of a failure to maintain any predictible course of travel by cyclists lately. Not sure what the cause, but I would be interested to see the results of any investigation as to fault for the 11 accidents.
              E-bikes probably has a lot to do with this--both adding inexperienced riders and allowing riders to go faster than normal cyclists.

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              • Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post

                That's an alarming amount of deaths. I don't like riding in Utah because of the amount of traffic. I feel fairly safe of these open Idaho country roads but you never know, all it takes is one teenager texting and not paying attention.
                With the growth, it's getting more congested. I think that's part of the increase.

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                • Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

                  E-bikes probably has a lot to do with this--both adding inexperienced riders and allowing riders to go faster than normal cyclists.
                  I disagree. As an E-bike rider, I can tell you that we ride E-bikes because we are acutely aware of our limitations. We cower at the hint of danger.
                  "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                  • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post

                    I disagree. As an E-bike rider, I can tell you that we ride E-bikes because we are acutely aware of our limitations. We cower at the hint of danger.
                    I'm sure that's true for you and many others, but I play golf with an orthopedic surgeon who told me that e-bikes have been a big business-getter for him, as many, especially older riders, outride their basic skill level, putting themselves in tough situations (esp. off-road) they wouldn't be in otherwise.

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                    • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post

                      I disagree. As an E-bike rider, I can tell you that we ride E-bikes because we are acutely aware of our limitations. We cower at the hint of danger.
                      It was a broad brush comment not meant to imply all subsets of ebike riders fall into that category. But I assure you there is another sunset that does.

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                      • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

                        I'm sure that's true for you and many others, but I play golf with an orthopedic surgeon who told me that e-bikes have been a big business-getter for him, as many, especially older riders, outride their basic skill level, putting themselves in tough situations (esp. off-road) they wouldn't be in otherwise.
                        Off-road? I don't even do light patches of gravel.

                        "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                        • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post

                          Off-road? I don't even do light patches of gravel.
                          If I were to get an e bike, 90% of my travel would be unpaved. Maybe next summer for commuting.

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