Confirmed: Senator Mike Lee is a wanker

[Bo Diddley]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have sent a message to Mike Lee's office via his website? I have done this with politicians who represent me often for the past few years.

I do this for two reasons. First, as someone who used to work in a politician's office, they do take stock of phone calls and communications from constituents. The office kept track of the topic and for/against of any call. People who send communications to politicians have an outsized impact. More than those who don't.

I also do it because, if I request a response back (which I always do), it forces them to etch their stance in writing. This is useful to send back if they contradict themselves later.

Not that any of this will change or affect what Lee does, but I'm curious if I'm the only middle aged dude to regularly do this.

I write all of my representatives when I feel like there's an important issue. I don't want to do it too often because I feel like that would water down my voice.

[frank ryan]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have sent a message to Mike Lee's office via his website? I have done this with politicians who represent me often for the past few years.

I do this for two reasons. First, as someone who used to work in a politician's office, they do take stock of phone calls and communications from constituents. The office kept track of the topic and for/against of any call. People who send communications to politicians have an outsized impact. More than those who don't.

I also do it because, if I request a response back (which I always do), it forces them to etch their stance in writing. This is useful to send back if they contradict themselves later.

Not that any of this will change or affect what Lee does, but I'm curious if I'm the only middle aged dude to regularly do this.

I've written him more than once, and often don't get a form letter back. Hatch would always respond and sometimes it looked like genuine thought went into it. Romney responds. Rob Bishop and his staffers were worthless to try and interact with.

[frank ryan]

Wall Street Journal have done some good journalism. I don't blame you backing off the Capitol riot stuff. I'm not watching the impeachment trial for similar reasons.

[USUC]

I've written him more than once, and often don't get a form letter back. Hatch would always respond and sometimes it looked like genuine thought went into it. Romney responds. Rob Bishop and his staffers were worthless to try and interact with.

Romney responds, just slowly. Lee has responded to my emails, but sometimes long after the issue at hand is done. I sent a fairly scathing email to Owens and his office hasn't responded yet. McAdams responded if what I encouraged him to do aligned with him, but I never got a response when I went libertarian on him. But Ian always, 100% respectful.

I generally only write them on something I feel is important. I dont think I've gotten a reputation yet.

[USUC]

Intentions are the criteria we should be using on judging the success or failure of a presidency? I agree that GWB had good intentions and Trump had bad intentions. But Trump didn't succeed at a coup while GWB did create the norm to govern via executive order while bypassing congress, he did get us into two wars without clear goals that led to the death many (one war we still are fighting 20 years later), his foreign policy led to mass disruptions in the middle east that led to ISIS, and he opened the floodgate of government spending that has spiraled out of control. But sure, Trump's intentions that didn't succeed make him the worse president in history. As an aside, I implore you to find a post on here of me praising Trump.

Anyway, get back to hating on Mike Lee everyone. I'm certainly not going to defend him. My initial point is that for a bunch of people who mock and judge the GOP base for falling for and supporting the Trump machine fraud sure are smitten with the Lincoln Project. Perhaps a little more self reflection is in order before beating their chests on their high horse.

Just in case there is still doubt about this point.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...8125d4141394cb

[wapiti]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have sent a message to Mike Lee's office via his website? I have done this with politicians who represent me often for the past few years.

I do this for two reasons. First, as someone who used to work in a politician's office, they do take stock of phone calls and communications from constituents. The office kept track of the topic and for/against of any call. People who send communications to politicians have an outsized impact. More than those who don't.

I also do it because, if I request a response back (which I always do), it forces them to etch their stance in writing. This is useful to send back if they contradict themselves later.

Not that any of this will change or affect what Lee does, but I'm curious if I'm the only middle aged dude to regularly do this.

I sent Lee an email about the trump tariffs. He replied. We happen to be aligned on that particular issue.

[BigPiney]

I sent Lee an email about the trump tariffs. He replied. We happen to be aligned on that particular issue.

I read something today saying that Biden is keeping most, if not all of those tariffs for now. They are going to evaluate going forward.

[wapiti]

I read something today saying that Biden is keeping most, if not all of those tariffs for now. They are going to evaluate going forward.

Yeah, I don't expect any movement on them until summer.

[BlueK]

Yeah, I don't expect any movement on them until summer.

I would hope those on Canada and Europe at least would go away. There's no point to those. China is a little different given the geopolitical pickle Trump helped us go into.

[BigFatMeanie]

I would hope those on Canada and Europe at least would go away. There's no point to those. China is a little different given the geopolitical pickle Trump helped us go into.

Agree with you about Canada and Europe. But China? Dude, c'mon. I hate Trump as much as the next guy but his use of tarriffs against China was one of the better things he did, although his blithe "tariffs are great!" rhetoric was asinine. China was a problem long before Trump and it will be a problem long after him. Trump's tougher stance against China was generally looked upon favorably by most Dems although they are loathe to admit that he could ever get anything right.

I'm all for free and fair trade. What we've had with China the last 30 years ain't it.

[Moliere]

I read something today saying that Biden is keeping most, if not all of those tariffs for now. They are going to evaluate going forward.

It surprising. Trump stole his protectionism from the democrats and branded it as his own with American First. Democrats hated the rhetoric around the tariffs and trumps abuse of his power in that area, but I’m sure they loved the end result.


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[BlueK]

Agree with you about Canada and Europe. But China? Dude, c'mon. I hate Trump as much as the next guy but his use of tarriffs against China was one of the better things he did, although his blithe "tariffs are great!" rhetoric was asinine. China was a problem long before Trump and it will be a problem long after him. Trump's tougher stance against China was generally looked upon favorably by most Dems although they are loathe to admit that he could ever get anything right.

I'm all for free and fair trade. What we've had with China the last 30 years ain't it.

You misread what I said. True, in general I hate tariffs. But china right now is complicated so I wouldn't make any huge change there right now. I would definitely try to rejoin multilateral trade agreements Trump pulled us out of though.

[Eddie]

I've written him more than once, and often don't get a form letter back. Hatch would always respond and sometimes it looked like genuine thought went into it. Romney responds. Rob Bishop and his staffers were worthless to try and interact with.

I actually met with some of these folks when I was in DC for a conference a few years ago - I met with some of them a second time when I returned a couple of years after that.

Hatch and his people were great. He actually ended up co-sponsoring a bill related to a child welfare funding issue that I brought up to he and his staff. When I went for my second visit they told me that it was out of committee and had passed in the Senate - they were waiting for it to pass in the house that week, which it did. Awesome.

Bennett was also good to meet with and listened to concerns - but then was out a year later and was gone.

Bishop fell asleep while we were meeting. His staff didn't act all that surprised that he was sleeping. It was a small group - like 3 of us from my office and a couple of his staff.

Lee was OK, but this was when he was initially elected and he didn't have any relationships. I spoke with someone in Hatches office, and they kind of looked around to make sure no one was listening and then said that Lee was essentially isolated. He was unwilling to work with or compromise with anyone, so he wasn't a part of any caucuses, etc. I think he's gained some traction since then, but I thought it was interesting that they basically said he couldn't get anything done because he wasn't willing to work with anyone.

[Now who’s the dean?]

Lee was OK, but this was when he was initially elected and he didn't have any relationships. I spoke with someone in Hatches office, and they kind of looked around to make sure no one was listening and then said that Lee was essentially isolated. He was unwilling to work with or compromise with anyone, so he wasn't a part of any caucuses, etc. I think he's gained some traction since then, but I thought it was interesting that they basically said he couldn't get anything done because he wasn't willing to work with anyone.

Until he found an orange messiah to whom he could proclaim his undying love and devotion. Praise Jebus!!

[beefytee]

While I'm not opposed to being tough on China, I think the tariffs hurt us as much as the hurt China. I would prefer to get the TPP ratified to give the US better trading partner options than China. The TPP would definitely hurt China and help the US.