Why cut taxes?

[Crockett]

Are we really still pretending the sole purporse of his worthless travel ban is not to target muslims?

He said he wants to ban muslims. He asked his team how he can ban muslims without explicitly saying he is banning muslims.

A few points:

Travel restrictions from these countries were signed into law by Obama. So, it's okay when Obama does it.

I focus far more on what Trump actually does versus what he says. I think that is far more important to evaluate with any politician and not just Trump. We all know that Trump is inarticulate and often speaks without thinking through things. So I am judging trump on what he does.

When these facts change -- travel ban doesn't ban most Muslims, doesn't ban the most populous Muslim countries, and is only targeted at failed / enemy states -- then get back to me. There is absolutely a rational, risk-based argument for a travel ban to every single one of the countries currently on the travel ban.

Speaking of pretending, let's stop pretending that radical Islam does not present a unique threat.

[creekster]

That's not accurate. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm a fuck've a lot more nuanced with my politics than the folks you are comparing me against. I've praised plenty of Republicans, including Kasich, McCain, Spencer Cox, Greg Bell. I've also voted for some of those guys. Lebowski is s Republican and Bluek is a Libertarian. We're just aware of how Trump is turning the country into a kakistocracy.

what is a kakistocracy?

n/m. FOllowing Huskyfree's lead I googled

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

That's not accurate. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm a fuck've a lot more nuanced with my politics than the folks you are comparing me against. I've praised plenty of Republicans, including Kasich, McCain, Spencer Cox, Greg Bell. I've also voted for some of those guys. Lebowski is s Republican and Bluek is a Libertarian. We're just aware of how Trump is turning the country into a kakistocracy.

My comment isn't about Trump or what he is or isn't doing/saying/causing. Just that I would've enjoyed the battles that the two former resident Obama vocal opponents would've engaged in with our three resident Trump vocal opponents. One's belief in a subject isn't a part of the equation.

Both you and BlueK are all upset about that, but as strongly as you believe Trump is turning the country into a kakistocracy (I had to google that, something usually reserved for SU and wuap! We can agree to disagree that Trump is a by product of us having been a kakistocracy for a while not the start of one) you would have just as strongly responded to those two. They would've been fun to watch. There is no comment about anyone's nuanced stances in my statement.

[frank ryan]

IPU/hallelujah vs. Duderino/BlueK/FrankRyan would've made some enjoyable battles to read. RIP fallen comrades.

That's not accurate. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm a fuck've a lot more nuanced with my politics than the folks you are comparing me against. I've praised plenty of Republicans, including Kasich, McCain, Spencer Cox, Greg Bell. I've also voted for some of those guys. Lebowski is s Republican and Bluek is a Libertarian. We're just aware of how Trump is turning the country into a kakistocracy.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Pretty sure outside of the Trump threads no one would give me that characteristic. That's how insane I think he is. I have opinions on other topics but I think I'm pretty mellow about expressing them on anything else.

That's cool.

[Crockett]

Pretty sure outside of the Trump threads no one would give me that characteristic. That's how insane I think he is. I have opinions on other topics but I think I'm pretty mellow about expressing them on anything else.

I really like your hoops takes. Your Trump takes not so much. Hate on him all you want but there is no collusion there and Trump didn't win because of Russia.

[Maximus]

So a "Muslim ban" that doesn't ban most Muslims, doesn't ban the most populous Muslim countries, and is only targeted at failed / enemy states. Hyperbole physician heal thyself.

Are we really still pretending the sole purporse of his worthless travel ban is not to target muslims?

He said he wants to ban muslims. He asked his team how he can ban muslims without explicitly saying he is banning muslims.

[Crockett]

You missed the point. I was matching your hyperbolic statement with an equally hyperbolic statement the other way.

I got your attempt. You missed mine about why it's not hyperbole. Let's move on.

[BlueK]

IPU/hallelujah vs. Duderino/BlueK/FrankRyan would've made some enjoyable battles to read. RIP fallen comrades.

Pretty sure outside of the Trump threads no one would give me that characteristic. That's how insane I think he is. I have opinions on other topics but I think I'm pretty mellow about expressing them on anything else.

[Goatnapper'96]

It has been kind of boring around here since IPU left.

I think Frank Ryan has done pretty well- but I think both Frank and IPU are Irish so I cut them both some slack. I haven't fought in a long time...He was his father's only son, his mother's pride and joy.....

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

You missed the point. I was matching your hyperbolic statement with an equally hyperbolic statement the other way.

But go ahead and knock yourself out. It has been kind of boring around here since IPU left.

IPU/hallelujah vs. Duderino/BlueK/FrankRyan would've made some enjoyable battles to read. RIP fallen comrades.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So a "Muslim ban" that doesn't ban most Muslims, doesn't ban the most populous Muslim countries, and is only targeted at failed / enemy states. Hyperbole physician heal thyself.

You missed the point. I was matching your hyperbolic statement with an equally hyperbolic statement the other way.

But go ahead and knock yourself out. It has been kind of boring around here since IPU left.

[Crockett]

Haha. OK.

So a "Muslim ban" that doesn't ban most Muslims, doesn't ban the most populous Muslim countries, and is only targeted at failed / enemy states. Hyperbole physician heal thyself.

[Crockett]

SO you don't disagree with him, just want to poke at Trump? That makes sense to me.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Go to Bernie Sanders campaign page and you will see those promised entitlements are not hyperbole.

Keeping out Muslims and Mexicans is ridiculous hyperbole untethered to the facts, as you know.

Haha. OK.