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Originally posted by Shaka View PostI can parse what's true and what isn't. Most of us do not want or need a moderator to do it for us."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by tooblue View Post
No, I am not precisely because Trump's lies have sowed divisiveness on a level unimaginable in my life time.
(1) I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.
[Plan? She really doesn't have much of anything on her website.]
(2) My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month.
[Trump has tariffs on imports for things like cars made by the Chinese in Mexico. Not fords made in Detroit. Not food and other necessities.]
(3) Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.
[LOL. Harris is not a very good student of history. The unemployment rate was 6.4 in Dec 2020. Nothing near the great depression levels. ]
(4) What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again.
[Trump has said over and over again that he has nothing to do with Project 2025. His plan is clearly stated on his website. I wish Harris would do the same.]
(5) And now in over 20 states there are Trump abortion bans which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care. Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest.
[Wrong. Trump stated this was wrong in the debate.]
(6) If Donald Trump were to be re-elected he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand in his Project 2025 there would be a national abortion ban. Understand in his Project 2025 there would be a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies your miscarriages.
[There she goes again... It is not his Project 2025.]
(7) And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your, your desires.
[Video please... People even got shot at his rallies and didn't see anyone leave.]
(8) The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the white house again.
[Any misconduct? Really? How about Biden just have Trump shot?]
(9) Understand, this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the constitution of the United States.
[Terminate the constitution? Video please.]
(10) Someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military.
[Like the 13 members of the military that were killed in Afghanistan? LOL.]
(11) I made that very clear in 2020. I will not ban fracking.
[There is so much video out there of Harris stating she would ban fracking.]
(12) The president of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's Capitol, to desecrate our nation's Capitol.
[He told the protestors to go home peacefully: https://x.com/qaggnews/status/1806526888464036314]
(13) On that day, 140 law enforcement officers were injured. And some died.
[The only person that died was one of the protestors that a law enforcement officer shot. 140 were injured? Please point us to the report that states that.]
(14) And understand, the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason.
[Not true. Acquitted. ]
(15) [on Charlottesville] What did the president then at the time say? There were fine people on each side.
[This has been debunked many times.]
(16) Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath, if this -- and the outcome of this election is not to his liking.
[Debunked.]
(17) It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.
[Video please. I am pretty sure he never said this.]
(18) If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv right now. And understand what that would mean. Because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine. Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe. Starting with Poland.
[Putin may have never attacked Ukraine if Trump was president. What evidence does Harris have that would given her the idea that Putin would be sitting in Kyiv if Trump was president?]
(19) When I went to meet with President Zelenskyy, I've now met with him over five times.
[I can't find any record of her meeting with him over five times.]
(20) I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently over the course of his career attempted to use race to divide the American people.
[Video please.]
(21) He was a, a, a—land, he owned land, he owned buildings, and he was investigated because he refused to rent property to Black families.
[Never heard of this. Links please.]
(22) Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private health care options.
[There is video of Harris advocating for single payer; medicare for all.]
(23) We're not taking anybody's guns away.
[There is lots of video of Harris saying she supports mandatory gun buyback program.]
(24) [on climate change] And what we know is that it is very real.
[John Kerry also said that all the ice would be all melted by 2014 and here we are. https://x.com/amuse/status/1833445079907758299 The climate may be changing but how much of that is due to man?]
(25) We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president.
[Not true. https://x.com/Glock29sf/status/1833696962702381231]
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I don't know how I missed this one...
(26) And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world.
[ https://x.com/StanphylCap/status/1833875168118165749]
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
LOL. I'll tell you what... I didn't watch the debate but I read the transcript and fact check Harris. Below are her lies... Not you do the same for Trump.
But if you did this for Trump, you could just include pretty much his entire transcript. When his lips were moving, he was lying.
"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Holy cow.
"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Shaka View PostI can parse what's true and what isn't. Most of us do not want or need a moderator to do it for us.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
Trouble in MAGA. Feeding on each other.
"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Yeah, MTG did something to fall from grace with Trump.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Originally posted by Shaka View PostI can parse what's true and what isn't. Most of us do not want or need a moderator to do it for us.
Good Hell. There aren't enough for you or Lebowski who are just too smart and clever for us neophytes.
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Originally posted by falafel View Post
Serious question: if it turned out that going by percentages, they were both fact-checked the same in relation to the number of "opportunities" for fact-checking they provided, would that be acceptable?
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
Yeah, she got in a few whoppers.
But if you did this for Trump, you could just include pretty much his entire transcript. When his lips were moving, he was lying.
- Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window. She's going to my philosophy now. In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat. She's gone to my philosophy.
[I don't believe that Harris has adopted all of Trump's philosophy but she has definitely adopted some of them. It is the same for Dems every election cycle. They fake being a moderate for the independent vote and run back to the left after being elected.]
- I believe 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it's a lot higher than the 21.
[https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/ogr_icymi.pdf There have been over 8 million migrant encounters nationwide and over 1.7 million known gotaways. We really don't know the exact number and this report may be old.]
- He also says execution after birth, it's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born, is okay.
[Not exactly what the governor said... https://x.com/KennethRWebster/status...81638284218573 Concering ABC's moderators commits: https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1833678822912536688]
- People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go. And the people that do go, she's busing them in and paying them to be there. And then showing them in a different light. So, she can't talk about that. People don't leave my rallies.
[People go to her rallies. There are videos of large numbers of people leaving after the concert that the Harris campaign brought in was over. I haven't seen a lot of evidence of Harris paying people to go. People leave trump rallies, I am sure, but I haven't seen any videos of that in large numbers.]
- In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country.
[I have only seen videos of people eating cats and ducks or other birds. Not dogs. I would be upset if they were eating dogs. So would my dog: https://x.com/Tarquin_Helmet/status/1833815933464224080 ]
- Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their fraudulent statements that they made. Crime in this country is through the roof. And we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime. And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.
[There are reports that there is migrant crime... I don't believe it is through the roof, however.]
- the FBI -- they were defrauding statements. They didn't include the worst cities. They didn't include the cities with the worst crime. It was a fraud.
[I wouldn't trust FBI reports given they lied about things like Hunter's laptop during an election cycle. Local law enforcement most likely has better data.]
- I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy – With the fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that went nowhere.
[It is still unclear why Trump took a bullet to the head. The FBI still hasn't released any kind of report about this. The report will most likely be sealed for 50+ years like the Kennedy assassination.]
- I have said blood bath. It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where bloodbath was.
[Actually he used the term bloodbath for the auto industry -- not energy.]
- And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. They don't even know what country they're in practically. And these people are trying to get them to vote. And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country.
[Legally they have to be citizens to vote but the Dems do want to make them citizens... Schumer wants to make all 11 million of them citizens overnight: https://x.com/TheKevinDalton/status/1831869607902372150 Interesting wasn't for this in 2009.]
- She hates Israel. If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now. At the same time in her own way she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up, Arabs, Jewish people, Israel.
[She did meet with Bibi when he was here so maybe she only hates Israel. Tim Walz definitely hates Israel. He even changed his state flag to something similar to the Somalian flag: https://x.com/VoteHarrisOut/status/1820619623152177235 ]
- They're the ones -- and she's the one that caused it, that's weak on national security by allowing every nation last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country. Their crime rates are way down.
[This may only apply to Venezuela and not all 168 different countries people are coming to the US from.]
- [On Ukraine aid...] Look, we're in for 250 billion or more. We're in for 250 to 275 billion.
[The US has only committed something around $175b to Ukraine aid since 2022 as far as I can tell. Still $175b is a lot. It is unclear how much of that is being funneled back to the Biden crime family and other democrats, however. The pentagon can't account for large sums of it: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/polit...ror/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ector-general/ ]
- They sent her in to negotiate with Zelenskyy and Putin. And she did and the war started three days later. They sent her in to negotiate. As soon as they left Putin did the invasion.
[She did not meet with Putin. She did warn Putin not to invade or the US would “impose significant and unprecedented economic costs” if Russia attacked Ukraine. Of course, Biden lifted sanctions before this to help fund Putin's war: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674]
- This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country.
[While the Biden presidency has been very divisive I am not sure it is the most divisive in history. E.g., https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-...union-891a9a62 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQTl8bdGZE0 ]
I think that is all of them. It is not close to his entire transcript, however.
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
If they fact checked him 50 times and her 5 times, at least it would show that they were trying to be impartial. I am looking for neutrality like JL is talking about.
On Wednesday's broadcast of Newsmax TV's "The Record," Commission on Presidential Debates Co-Founder and Co-Chair Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr., who also was Chair of the RNC, stated the performance by moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis was "the worst performance that I've seen" and that they "clearly were oversized, I think, on the way they treated" 2024 Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump and "bent backwards to help" 2024 Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Kamala Harris."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Hand wringing over fact checking is just another sign he got worked and is only being talked about by people who have long had their minds made up about who they are voting for. Gotta talk about anything but the fact he couldn't stay on topic, got easily manipulated and clearly had no ability to go in-depth on any subject. Just a guy who takes pride in not reading and who thinks he's too smart to study against someone who was well prepared (and smarter than him). A big part of Trump's schtick has always been to be such a dick that nobody remembers anything about what the opponent said. Seeing him fall for his own tricks was hilarious.
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Originally posted by SteelBlue View PostHand wringing over fact checking is just another sign he got worked and is only being talked about by people who have long had their minds made up about who they are voting for. Gotta talk about anything but the fact he couldn't stay on topic, got easily manipulated and clearly had no ability to go in-depth on any subject. Just a guy who takes pride in not reading and who thinks he's too smart to study against someone who was well prepared (and smarter than him). A big part of Trump's schtick has always been to be such a dick that nobody remembers anything about what the opponent said. Seeing him fall for his own tricks was hilarious.
With all that experience he got worked by someone who, per the super smart folks here insisted, was dumb and only rose up through the 5th largest economy in the world’s political system via blow jobs.
How could anyone have confidence in Trump or his party to work for the interests of the American public when a fool like Kamala Harris can shine a sparkly light on the ground and Trump goes running?
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