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  • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

    I didn't feel like you were attacking me personally. My ego is big enough that it makes me blind to the idea of anyone possibly attacking me personally. So please make it explicit if that's the intent.

    Okay. If the statement is implicitly based on fact then I agree. Even though the standards vary by state, as a general statement it's true that he doesn't hold the proper certifications to be hired as a principal, teacher, or coach. He might be able to get an exemption based on life experience, etc.
    In a court of law it could be wise to deflect and suggest that "proper certifications" be used in place of the term "requirements". lt's an interesting tactic that avoids direct confrontation with the facts and the introspective question posed which was directed at me, personally, as much as it was at anyone else. My investments, especially in a US focused dividend are doing well.

    Back to the focus of my post, plainly stated, the process of seeking proper certifications, and meeting the necessary requirements would in fact preclude Donald Trump from being hired as principal, teacher and coach. And before the argument veers into an appeal to authority fallacy, I am a teacher, administrator and coach. I have earned the proper certifications and met the necessary requirements to teach, administrate and coach. I have sat on hiring committees over many years through which teachers, administrators and coaches have been hired. Based on my considerable personal experience with such processes, Donald Trump would not be hired in any one of those capacities.

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    • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

      If interested, you should consider using the public library.

      Harry Tic said Trump couldn't get the lowest level clearance. A confidential clearance is a pretty minimum threshold and I'd be shocked if Trump would be rejected. Only the bolded points would be factored in the determination by OSI or whoever is conducting the investigation. The other points would be addressed by whoever offered the job and holds the billet. That said, the points would be valid. Considering his most notable sexual indiscretions occurred over 18 years ago I don't think that would be considered a major factor. Cavalier disregard for security would also be a factor, especially considering the CI contained in the picture you posted. But it would also be true of Biden, Pence, Obama, and Clinton.

      Now if he said Secret or Top Secret, then I think he'd have a stronger argument. But I think the same would be true for others as well.
      Yes, Trump's defenders mention how other presidents (indeed, I suspect all previous presidents) have taken CI after their presidencies, however all of them but Trump cooperated fully when requests were made to return them. By his own admission, Trump has made a career of pushing boundaries, flouting norms and regulations, etc. Not a guy one would want to give a security clearance.

      And i'll be tutoring at the library today and will look for the book, although I'll need to prepare myself for the incredulous reactions from the staff if I check it out.

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      • Originally posted by Harry Tic View Post

        Well, I don't know where to start with this. True, my only experience with background checks has been to answer questions from FBI screeners on the part of job applicants. And based on the sorts of questions they have asked me about the applicants' backgrounds for low-level positions, I can't imagine how Trump could pass. He is, objectively speaking, a totally corrupt individual. There is no lack of evidence of his corruption as a business man. And, let us not forget, he is an adjudicated sex offender. I can't imagine that that would not be disqualifying.
        Well at least you're objectively assessing him.

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        • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

          Well, obviously he would have someone else fill out the SF-86, and would tell them to lie, because, well, that's just what he does. Having filled out an SF-86 and updated it on many occasions and gone through several security background investigations in my lifetime (and having a spouse who worked as a background investigator), I have no doubt that Trump would be rejected with extreme prejudice. Most likely, his very temperament would disqualify him before they got to his misrepresentations, numerous comprising relationships, and the opinions of those with whom he has worked.
          That's definitely possible. But throughout my career I've been pretty shocked at who gets to hold that billet. If there were a consistent examination standard within OSI or DCSA then I think the claim would be stronger. But there's not. About 4 million Americans hold a clearance at some level. That means, according to JL's math, there are 160,000 sociopaths with security clearances.

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          • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

            Yes, Trump's defenders mention how other presidents (indeed, I suspect all previous presidents) have taken CI after their presidencies, however all of them but Trump cooperated fully when requests were made to return them. By his own admission, Trump has made a career of pushing boundaries, flouting norms and regulations, etc. Not a guy one would want to give a security clearance.

            And i'll be tutoring at the library today and will look for the book, although I'll need to prepare myself for the incredulous reactions from the staff if I check it out.


            Please post a follow up of their reaction.

            I think this is a fair point. I also think it helps to explain so much of his appeal. If you believe that the DoD and IC intentionally overclassifies to hide information from the public and creating conditions where corruption can be completely hidden, then you want someone disruptive. I'm sympathetic to that argument, though I'm skeptical that Trump's approach will result in the necessary change.

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            • Your shock notwithstanding, those colleagues of yours do not carry the baggage (recounted here by others) that Trump carries. He would not even sit for the interviews and probing questions. A quick police records check would disqualify him for even the simple non-security clearance we did for interns.
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                I'm not questioning that a letter was sent to officials in Lincoln County, Oregon. I'm suspicious of it being sent by a left-wing activist intended to create hysteria and support the narrative that deportation efforts are driven by racism. If that's wrong then I'll own it on this very message board and you can shame me.
                To be honest I had the same thought. Who writes ‘brown people’?

                Now just because I’m agreeing with YO on this one point don’t everybody loop me in with his crazy rightward turn towards Trump!
                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                - SeattleUte

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                • Originally posted by tooblue View Post

                  In a court of law it could be wise to deflect and suggest that "proper certifications" be used in place of the term "requirements". lt's an interesting tactic that avoids direct confrontation with the facts and the introspective question posed which was directed at me, personally, as much as it was at anyone else. My investments, especially in a US focused dividend are doing well.

                  Back to the focus of my post, plainly stated, the process of seeking proper certifications, and meeting the necessary requirements would in fact preclude Donald Trump from being hired as principal, teacher and coach. And before the argument veers into an appeal to authority fallacy, I am a teacher, administrator and coach. I have earned the proper certifications and met the necessary requirements to teach, administrate and coach. I have sat on hiring committees over many years through which teachers, administrators and coaches have been hired. Based on my considerable personal experience with such processes, Donald Trump would not be hired in any one of those capacities.
                  So now that we've established that Trump wouldn't be hired as an educator or an entry-level intel analyst, it begs the question of why it matters. I like to think character matters, but I don't know that it has a direct bearing on how effective an individual will perform as president. It should, but I think there's a strong argument that it doesn't. At least in modern history. In my lifetime Carter had the strongest character, but was an awful president.

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                  • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                    That's definitely possible. But throughout my career I've been pretty shocked at who gets to hold that billet. If there were a consistent examination standard within OSI or DCSA then I think the claim would be stronger. But there's not. About 4 million Americans hold a clearance at some level. That means, according to JL's math, there are 160,000 sociopaths with security clearances.


                    The math checks out.
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                    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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                    • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

                      To be honest I had the same thought. Who writes ‘brown people’?

                      Now just because I’m agreeing with YO on this one point don’t everybody loop me in with his crazy rightward turn towards Trump!
                      I'm glad my bravery has given you the courage to question mbn! He can be very intimidating.

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                      • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                        I'm glad my bravery has given you the courage to question mbn! He can be very intimidating.
                        And vindictive. You forgot vindictive.
                        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                        Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                        • Question for Shaka or the many others on this board who have read the collected works of Don Jr.: Which of Donnie's two books, Triggered or Liberal Privilege, includes details of how he was raised? I''ll read one book but I have my limits.

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                          • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

                            To be honest I had the same thought. Who writes ‘brown people’?

                            Now just because I’m agreeing with YO on this one point don’t everybody loop me in with his crazy rightward turn towards Trump!
                            This is not unexpected. You're a liberal and believe the best of humanity. I'm conservative and expect the worst.
                            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                            • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

                              To be honest I had the same thought. Who writes ‘brown people’?
                              Lots of brown people I know do.
                              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                              "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

                                It can get confusing.

                                Chip Roy.... LOL. He is now being destroyed on X just like Dan Crenshaw:



                                Catturd can really get under these guy's skin.
                                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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