Looking forward to minimum wage increase.

[grapevine]

You know what I am most looking forward to when it takes place if it does, Which hopefully it doesn't. What I am looking forward too is $50.00 clothes and $10.00 meals for one person at mcdonalds. That will be real great won't it.

I guess Oboma never signed a payroll before. Don't people realize that if you raise the minimum wage then self employed people who only earn what the community provides for them by buying there products will go out of business. People will have to raise prices and the cost of everything goes up with minimum wage hikes.

Besides most people who make minimum wage and are not in High School still get food stamps and live in subsidized housing so I don't see minimum wage benefiting there either.

[Uncle Ted]

Why stop at $9/hr? Why not $15/hr or more? The minimum wage in Australia is $15.59 and the Australian dollar and US dollar are about the same to exchange. The cost of living, however, doesn't compare.

Or how about if the government just gave everyone a million dollars?

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[Donuthole]

Looking forward to minimum wage increase.

Or how about if the government just gave everyone a million dollars?

Then I'd buy you a green dress (but not a real green dress).

[Omaha 680]

Good article detailing the claims the left is using to sell the massive increase in the minimum wage.

http://theweek.com/articles/616528/d...r-minimum-wage

[byu71]

Does anyone know what a person at one of the manufacturing companies here in Utah who has say 5 years worth of experience and some technical training makes an hour?

How about a police officer in one of the cities with 5 years experience?

I will google and try to find out for myself, but someone telling me will probably be more reliable than my ability to use google.

[Shaka]

Does anyone know what a person at one of the manufacturing companies here in Utah who has say 5 years worth of experience and some technical training makes an hour?

How about a police officer in one of the cities with 5 years experience?

I will google and try to find out for myself, but someone telling me will probably be more reliable than my ability to use google.

We generally start hiring production workers a around $12 per hour. These people are typically unskilled and have to be trained to do their jobs. Usually they get up to $15 within a year. If the person demonstrates ability and gains skills there are paths to promotion and more money generally topping out around $20. If they come in possessing a skill like micro soldering then they will start higher and if they are good oftentimes they will be in a good position to negotiate a decent raise.

$12 per hour doesn't seem like much but they get a nice array of benefits including a medical, dental, vision, and a decent 401K match. The best benefit we offer is tuition reimbursement up to $9k per year. I believe that will also cover books and fees. A lot of our employees, Including those with degrees, take advantage of this program. It's free college for the unskilled.

[Bo Diddley]

Does anyone know what a person at one of the manufacturing companies here in Utah who has say 5 years worth of experience and some technical training makes an hour?

How about a police officer in one of the cities with 5 years experience?

I will google and try to find out for myself, but someone telling me will probably be more reliable than my ability to use google.

My boy's been looking at police jobs here in Utah, and they typically start out in the $18-19 range. Within 5 years, I'd expect that to go up another $5 or more, depending on if they're also moving up the chain in any capacity. I've got some friends I went through the academy with that work down in Vegas, and they're telling me he could expect to make over $30 an hour down there within a few years. Plus their retirement system is better than Utah's. Right now he has his sights set on the FBI after a few years in LE.

[byu71]

My boy's been looking at police jobs here in Utah, and they typically start out in the $18-19 range. Within 5 years, I'd expect that to go up another $5 or more, depending on if they're also moving up the chain in any capacity. I've got some friends I went through the academy with that work down in Vegas, and they're telling me he could expect to make over $30 an hour down there within a few years. Plus their retirement system is better than Utah's. Right now he has his sights set on the FBI after a few years in LE.

Thanks, I appreciate the information you and Shaka have provided.

Here is what I have a hard time getting with the minimum wage. Someone with skills and experience and sacrificed to move up the ladder in manufacturing or say a very difficult job like law enforcement are making around $20 an hour. They may also have good benefits.

Then you have a 17 year old walking into McDonalds or spraying off cars as they go into the car wash at Slim Olsen's making $15 an hour. Where is the incentive when the kid is 22 to go somewhere and work his way up to $20 an hour and beyond? It just doesn't click. What the progressives are basically saying is the free market doesn't do a good job at setting value and therefor we need the government to do that.

[Joe Public]

Thanks, I appreciate the information you and Shaka have provided.

Here is what I have a hard time getting with the minimum wage. Someone with skills and experience and sacrificed to move up the ladder in manufacturing or say a very difficult job like law enforcement are making around $20 an hour. They may also have good benefits.

Then you have a 17 year old walking into McDonalds or spraying off cars as they go into the car wash at Slim Olsen's making $15 an hour. Where is the incentive when the kid is 22 to go somewhere and work his way up to $20 an hour and beyond? It just doesn't click. What the progressives are basically saying is the free market doesn't do a good job at setting value and therefor we need the government to do that.

This might be another way of saying what you're saying, but I take it more as a de facto subsidy for unskilled workers than any type of commentary on the market. Many voters like subsidies.

[Paperback Writer]

Thanks, I appreciate the information you and Shaka have provided.

Here is what I have a hard time getting with the minimum wage. Someone with skills and experience and sacrificed to move up the ladder in manufacturing or say a very difficult job like law enforcement are making around $20 an hour. They may also have good benefits.

Then you have a 17 year old walking into McDonalds or spraying off cars as they go into the car wash at Slim Olsen's making $15 an hour. Where is the incentive when the kid is 22 to go somewhere and work his way up to $20 an hour and beyond? It just doesn't click. What the progressives are basically saying is the free market doesn't do a good job at setting value and therefor we need the government to do that.

One has to be careful about type casting food service workers. Sure, there are workers who are content with a $15 minimum wage with little ambition to go beyond. One the other hand, there are workers who are saving money and paying their way through college while studying engineering. There will always be some need for governmental regulation in low wage sectors unless you want to return to the days of child labor.

Edit: I'll also add that the market doesn't do a good job at setting value at the high end of executive wages.

[byu71]

One has to be careful about type casting food service workers. Sure, there are workers who are content with a $15 minimum wage with little ambition to go beyond. One the other hand, there are workers who are saving money and paying their way through college while studying engineering. There will always be some need for governmental regulation in low wage sectors unless you want to return to the days of child labor.

Edit: I'll also add that the market doesn't do a good job at setting value at the high end of executive wages.

Well I was hoping I worded it in a way not as to cast dispersions. We all make choices and really who is to judge someone and their pursuit of money.

In Bernie's world and I guess according to Bernie in the Pope's world those who try to earn lots and lots of money are greedy and not to be valued. On the other hand some guy who chooses to live on the beach and surf and collect food stamps, etc. is to be looked on with passion. I am sure most lie somewhere in the middle.

Is the free market fair. No it isn't. Awesome teachers making less than average NBA players, I don't think so. However, I don't want Bernie and company deciding what everyone value is.

[Uncle Ted]

Good article detailing the claims the left is using to sell the massive increase in the minimum wage.

http://theweek.com/articles/616528/d...r-minimum-wage

False: Minimum wage hikes will lead to productivity-boosting automation

[Eddie]

This might be another way of saying what you're saying, but I take it more as a de facto subsidy for unskilled workers than any type of commentary on the market. Many voters like subsidies.

Back when Nixon was president, there was a push to have a "living wage" guaranteed by the government by way of subsidies. I guess there is some of that right now with food stamps, housing, FDIC, etc. But the theory then was that people would get their pay from whatever low income job they have, and then a government subsidy would make up the difference between that and whatever was considered a "living wage".

As I understand it, Nixon was even on board and it looked like it would get through congress. But then someone got all uptight about what a "living wage" was, Watergate came along, and the support for it dried up.

One has to be careful about type casting food service workers. Sure, there are workers who are content with a $15 minimum wage with little ambition to go beyond. One the other hand, there are workers who are saving money and paying their way through college while studying engineering. There will always be some need for governmental regulation in low wage sectors unless you want to return to the days of child labor.

Edit: I'll also add that the market doesn't do a good job at setting value at the high end of executive wages.

There are also workers who just don't have the capacity to do much more than McDonalds. We had one in our ward for a while until she moved away when her father - who owned the home she was living in - died and the family sold the house. She may have been able to take a small step up from McDonalds, but not much of one.

While I'm not sure raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is the answer, I often think of her and consider that it isn't just high school kids and lazy or uneducated/unskilled folks who work fast food. There are also some there that are at capacity. So - how do we determine who these people are and make sure they are taken care of?

[falafel]

Does anyone know what a person at one of the manufacturing companies here in Utah who has say 5 years worth of experience and some technical training makes an hour?

How about a police officer in one of the cities with 5 years experience?

I will google and try to find out for myself, but someone telling me will probably be more reliable than my ability to use google.

You should have him move to Henderson, NV. They seem to pay their police officers pretty well.

http://transparentnevada.com/salarie...=police&y=2015

[Sullyute]

You should have him move to Henderson, NV. They seem to pay their police officers pretty well.

http://transparentnevada.com/salarie...=police&y=2015

Dang, I don't want to hear Wuap complain about police pay again, at least not in Henderson.