Why I am supporting Obama

[EuropeanFootballMale]

SS was a bargain. I paid into the system to get a return. Now because the government has raided it and is otherwise in deep financial trouble, wuap says I should get nothing out of the system. It is fundamentally unfair to eliminate the benefits I have been promised (or at least some benefits) giving me nothing in return. As it now stands, barring some Methuselah-esque trick of longevity on my part, I will never get my money out of the system. But to give me NOTHING is just fundamentally unfair.

I agree. It sucks. But those same promises made to you were made to Wuap and me as well. Those promises can't be kept. It's impossible. The question is not if someone will get screwed, it's who and how much. And, again, it isn't your money. It's tax money that was collected and spent as soon as it was received just like all the other tax money. You (collectively) already received the goods and services paid for with that money. Goods and services you should have paid more income tax to get if SS was really your money being saved for you. We change the promises we made to people (poor, children, unemployed, sick) all the time. This one has to change too.

[creekster]

Sorry, the federal government raided the SS trust fund. The only way you would have a chance of getting your money back is do your part in paying off the federal debt first. So pay up!

It's not your money any more than any other tax is once it's been paid. But you know that.

SS was a bargain. I paid into the system to get a return. Now because the government has raided it and is otherwise in deep financial trouble, wuap says I should get nothing out of the system. It is fundamentally unfair to eliminate the benefits I have been promised (or at least some benefits) giving me nothing in return. As it now stands, barring some Methuselah-esque trick of longevity on my part, I will never get my money out of the system. But to give me NOTHING is just fundamentally unfair.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

Will you give me my money back?

It's not your money any more than any other tax is once it's been paid. But you know that.

[Uncle Ted]

Will you give me my money back?

Sorry, the federal government raided the SS trust fund. The only way you would have a chance of getting your money back is do your part in paying off the federal debt first. So pay up!

[creekster]

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm scrapping Social Security and Medicare. That's over a trillion dollars. What programs are these bloated and worthless ones of which you speak?

Will you give me my money back?

[Tim]

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm scrapping Social Security and Medicare. That's over a trillion dollars. What programs are these bloated and worthless ones of which you speak?

Only the truest evils of socialism: NPR and school lunches for poor kids.

[wuapinmon]

That is a lot of taxes. We dont need more taxes. The government is way too bloated and we have a lot of worthless programs to get rid of.

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm scrapping Social Security and Medicare. That's over a trillion dollars. What programs are these bloated and worthless ones of which you speak?

[creekster]

Eliminate SS? sure, if they return my money. I have paid in a lot over the years and I want it back if I am never to get any return.

[Uncle Ted]

You want executive orders? Elect Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich! In one debate I watched the three of them combined articulate no fewer than 8 executive orders that they would enact on their first day in office!

Yes, we know how those executive orders on the first day work... I'm still waiting on Guantanamo Bay to be closed.

[Maximus]

1. Forego my Social Security benefits. I do not plan on having anything from them when I retire. I don't mind paying the taxes so that little old widows without children wind up in group homes because they can't afford to live. Folks with money should forego theirs too. Social Security needs a means test anyway you look at it. Austerity should hit everyone. I would be willing to do this until age 60, so 23 years from now.

2. Increase medicaid taxes by 5% so that children under 18 can have basic medical care. No able-bodied adult should get free medical care from the government, myself included. I will pay my medicaid taxes, happily, if it means that children are looked after. Families need to plan to care for their elderly on their own, and not depend on the federal government to do it. It sucks, I know, but something's got to give.

3. Raise income taxes by 5%. I can give a little more, provided the increased revenue goes into repurchasing 30 year T-bills to reduce the National Debt.

4. Raise the federal gasoline tax by $.25 a gallon for the express purpose of eliminating the national debt. We gripe and complain about it, but for what it does, gasoline is CHEAP. The need for efficiency is the mother of efficiency inventions.

5. Pay a $25 tax with each new television purchase to support the Public Broadcasting system. I'll also gladly pay 25 cents a month on my cable bill to support the Ad-Council. I have lived in other countries, and we've got it so good, but we don't pay enough in taxes to cover all the good we've got. Social Security needs to die for all but the most poor. Medicare, especially Plan B, needs the axe too. If your mom gets sick, then you pay for it out of pocket. Just because there are $60k hip replacements doesn't mean that you get one just because Medicare will cover it. That's borrowed money that young people will have to pay back for you someday.

So, I ask you all, what are you willing to give up? What sacred cows in the federal budget need trimming. And don't give me the "I'm not paying anything else until spending is under control" bullshit. Between servicing the debt, defense, Social Security, and Medicare, the money's spent yall. So, which cow gets made into sacred ground beef?

That is a lot of taxes. We dont need more taxes. The government is way too bloated and we have a lot of worthless programs to get rid of.

[Tim]

Except the democrat in the white house is actually very marxist in his views and has no problem using executive orders to implement his agenda. He'll be even less so when he isn't facing re-election.

You want executive orders? Elect Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich! In one debate I watched the three of them combined articulate no fewer than 8 executive orders that they would enact on their first day in office!

[frank ryan]

Except the democrat in the white house is actually very marxist in his views and has no problem using executive orders to implement his agenda. He'll be even less so when he isn't facing re-election.

Very Marxists rock!

[Maximus]

Besides Obamacare...



Of course, I am not convinced that Rmoney and many of the other republicans will offer much in the way of change either.

On the NDAA...





http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...-act-now-what/

It is ironic that this man got the nobel peace prize.

the poster is missing Israel.

[Uncle Ted]

You're voting for Romney if I have to drive up to Dallas and vote for you (I cant remember if Texas requires ID)

Well, if the Obama administration has its way an ID won't be required. A reason for you to vote for Obama.

[Moliere]

Who said I am not voting for Obama? I am still undecided.

You're voting for Romney if I have to drive up to Dallas and vote for you (I cant remember if Texas requires ID)