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    Sort of related to the Population Decline thread, but I think it deserves its own thread, given the action that will be happening in the next decade.

    The whole social security program was built on a premise that everybody pays in, but more people pay in than take out. For years, we watched as increasing longevity and shifting demographics eroded the base of that pyramid beneath our feet. We now are six years, give or take, from the Social Security trust fund being depleted. Once that happens, the payroll taxes still being collected will be split to cover as much of the benefits as possible, paying roughly 75% of scheduled benefits. Given the number of people who under-saved for retirement and are living on fixed incomes primarily coming from social security, that would be calamitous.

    I would not put it past our congress to be too dysfunctional to come up with something before this happens. But most of the pundits I've heard speaking on the matter agree that the outcome is so unthinkable that we'll manage to come up with something to address it-- even if, in Churchillian fashion, we exhaust all other options first.

    What that looks like remains to be seen. Revenue generation could come in the form of increased payroll taxes. Expenses could be cut by raising the age of eligibility, or cutting benefits generally. I expect the focus to be on the rich-- raising contribution limits, and reducing benefits for higher-income earners. It's probably the most politically expedient fix, even though it undermines one of the fundamental premises on which social security was built-- the expectation that you are getting paid back for the benefits you contributed over your lifetime.

    Unfortunately, even though we've known about this problem for years, we're well past the point where comparatively smaller changes could have avoided a lot of the major downstream consequences. We've kicked the can about as far down the road as possible, and whatever solution we come up with is going to hurt.
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    Originally posted by All-American View Post
    Unfortunately, even though we've known about this problem for years, we're well past the point where comparatively smaller changes could have avoided a lot of the major downstream consequences. We've kicked the can about as far down the road as possible, and whatever solution we come up with is going to hurt.
    I don't expect a solution for another five years. They'll kick that can till the last minute. That's what happened last time an adjustment was needed and made in 1983.

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    • #3
      Depressing thread topic.

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      • #4
        The Economist discusses the issue in an article entitled "America's Social Security trust fund is disappearing."

        https://www.economist.com/united-sta...s-disappearing

        A few graphs illustrating the problem:





        And relevant quotes:

        In 2017 the reserves held in the trust fund peaked at $2.8trn. Since then, the fund’s size has dropped by $400bn, with more money leaving it in payments to retirees than has entered it in the form of contributions. Outflows are accelerating, and some time around the end of the next presidential term, in late 2032 or early 2033, the fund will run dry.

        Washington has a little more than six years to find a remedy, which means that senators elected in November may still be serving their term when the fund runs out.

        The changes required need not be drastic if they are made soon. Research published last year by Wendell Primus and Tara Watson of the Brookings Institution and Jack Smalligan of the Urban Institute suggests a series of fixes. They would raise payroll taxes fractionally, from 12.4% to 12.6%, and add some workers in local and state governments who do not currently pay into Social Security. At the same time, they suggest increasing retirement ages for better-paid workers from 67 to 70 and taxing their benefits more.

        But getting the policy right is not the problem. The politics of Social Security and partisanship are both far more thorny than they once were. “A bipartisan group of people could pencil it out and we’d have a reform done, but that’s completely different to the political calculus,” says Daniel Bunn, president of the Tax Foundation, a fiscal think-tank.
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        • #5
          AA is hell bent on ruining my morning. I choose to bury my head in the sand.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

            I don't expect a solution for another five years. They'll kick that can till the last minute. That's what happened last time an adjustment was needed and made in 1983.
            Good thing we have a Congress that is serious about legislating and not just performing for social media. Could you imagine?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
              AA is hell bent on ruining my morning. I choose to bury my head in the sand.
              Senator? Is that you?
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