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  • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

    I would like to know the extent of those targeted. How many of those who got pagers or cell phones from the Israel front company were known combatants or terrorists, and how many were less culpable and caught up in an admittedly terrorist organization. Quite a few Taliban sympathizers were caught up in the war on terror that ultimately weren't guilty of killing or other serious offenses. I'm assuming at least some of those who got pagers were in a similar situation. And I could be very wrong on this, but yeah I still think it's way too soon to know the full story of the casualties.

    Lebanon does itself no favors allowing Hezbollah to have political power. Israel has to defend itself from enemies that fight for its destruction. And it's very difficult to judge Israel's war actions outside of a vacuum. It just seems to me that the pager and cell phone operations uncomfortably approaches strategies like land mines.

    It's hard to sympathize with Hezbollah when they kill indiscriminately. Do I have a better strategy? No. But I do want to understand more details. If the majority of Hezbollah casualties involve truly bad guys then sure your collateral damage rate of 1.6% would be an amazing operation. But I don't think it's overly critical of Israel to want to know more about who was targeted, etc.
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    • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

      I would like to know the extent of those targeted. How many of those who got pagers or cell phones from the Israel front company were known combatants or terrorists, and how many were less culpable and caught up in an admittedly terrorist organization. Quite a few Taliban sympathizers were caught up in the war on terror that ultimately weren't guilty of killing or other serious offenses. I'm assuming at least some of those who got pagers were in a similar situation. And I could be very wrong on this, but yeah I still think it's way too soon to know the full story of the casualties.

      Lebanon does itself no favors allowing Hezbollah to have political power. Israel has to defend itself from enemies that fight for its destruction. And it's very difficult to judge Israel's war actions outside of a vacuum. It just seems to me that the pager and cell phone operations uncomfortably approaches strategies like land mines.

      It's hard to sympathize with Hezbollah when they kill indiscriminately. Do I have a better strategy? No. But I do want to understand more details. If the majority of Hezbollah casualties involve truly bad guys then sure your collateral damage rate of 1.6% would be an amazing operation. But I don't think it's overly critical of Israel to want to know more about who was targeted, etc.
      Your expectations are insane.

      Please do this, but in the reverse.

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      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

        Dude, you are killing me.
        I know. I am what I am.

        Originally posted by The_Tick View Post

        Your expectations are insane.

        Please do this, but in the reverse.
        since Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, I don't expect them to even care about innocent loss of life. I hold Israel and every other democracy to a higher standard (I am NOT saying they aren't doing this right now; I just have some concerns and I want to get more facts).

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        • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

          since Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, I don't expect them to even care about innocent loss of life. I hold Israel and every other democracy to a higher standard (I am NOT saying they aren't doing this right now; I just have some concerns and I want to get more facts).
          This is the problem with that though. Terrorist organizations rely on this. They act with no regard, but they expect countries/organizations to hold to a "higher law" and they use this to their benefit.

          Sometimes you have to fix a problem with an ugly solution that people just aren't going to have the stomach for. Hezbollah is relying on everyone else to be the frog in the pot.

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          • Originally posted by beefytee View Post
            It is interesting that this was an "anti-terrorist" event in very much a fight fire with fire kind of way.

            Yes, it damaged their logistic network, but the real side-effect of this is that Hezbollah members will be absolutely paranoid to touch any electronics. Very much instilling terror in these members.
            I have thought about this as well. They are literally bombing Hezbollah back to the stone age by making them paranoid to use any modern technology.

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            • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

              I have thought about this as well. They are literally bombing Hezbollah back to the stone age by making them paranoid to use any modern technology.
              I wonder if this is a preliminary step to more conventional military action, like an invasion of Southern Lebanon. Lots of pressure in Israel to facilitate the safe return of residents to their towns and villages in Northern Israel.
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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              • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                This is funny to me. They were combatants, and of course I need to hear the the standard liberal line- "I have no love for Hezbollah/Hamas/terrorists..blahblahblah," but they weren't presently combatting. LOL. A call to banning using pagers as an explosive device for an act of war-where do these people come from? Israel ought to have to look at the pictures to understand what explosives do to civilians.

                I honestly am a bit breathless at the world some people live in. This was one of if not the most surgical and combatant specific act of war and yet batshit crazy folks still do what they do. It is amazing to me.
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                • so biden makes plans with ceasefire with bibi, then bibis party gets mad and he rejects the deal he helped put together.

                  this is all on bibi at this point

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                  • Israel thinking they may have taken out Hassan Nasrallah today in Beirut: https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...beirut-strike/

                    Of course, all the usual suspects are pissed about the strike.

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                    • Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                      Israel thinking they may have taken out Hassan Nasrallah today in Beirut: https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...beirut-strike/

                      Of course, all the usual suspects are pissed about the strike.
                      This would be great, great news. Continue to teach the rats the gloves are off and there is no safe hiding place.

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                      • At what line does escalation become not good news

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                        • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                          At what line does escalation become not good news
                          When Hezbollah and Hamas cease to exist.

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                          • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                            When Hezbollah and Hamas cease to exist.
                            I'm not sure that will happen, especially Hezbollah.

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                            • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                              When Hezbollah and Hamas cease to exist.
                              So an impossible line and israel can do whatever until this impossibility is realized

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                              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                                I'm not sure that will happen, especially Hezbollah.
                                I would agree. Certainly while the Islamic Republic of Iran is in power.

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