2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Applejack]

Dream ticket right there. Lots of people love Trump, but almost nobody likes Vivek. What a bucket of slime.

True, but Trump wouldn't look like the conspiracy nut in that ticket!

[fusnik]

I wonder if pence is also a DEI addition since they wanted an evangelical. or does it only apply to democrats and race?

What about trump not selecting a non white person to avoid it. lol

Kelly Anne wants him to choose a person of color. Insane the levels of irony with the conservative movement. It’s so on the nose it feels fake.

My money would be on Elise Stefanik especially if she gets on the Oz. She’s a female, an absolute roadie and would be a nice counter to defend against Trumps SA judgement.

[fusnik]

This is a lazy and dumb response.

It is especially funny that you are arguing that she was a good VP pick. She has the lowest approval rating in history for a VP. Worse than Mike Pence:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/26/kam...election-biden



It is even worse now:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...kamala-harris/

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harr...roblem-1853029



Worst VP pick since Sarah Palin.

But go on about how 20K people showed up for her announcement. Lol.

Skip the context so you can pound home your fetish with DEI, it’s actually getting Falafal levels of weird.

I’ll synthesize it for you:

No black lady, no Clyburn endorsement

No Clyburn endorsement, no Joe Biden candidacy

No Joe Biden candidacy, lots of Warren/Bernie

Lots of Warren/Bernie, Trumps reelection secured

Trumps reelection secured, horror for the country

Does it automatically make Harris a great VP in practice? Of course not. But it did make her a great VP pick.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Skip the context so you can pound home your fetish with DEI, it’s actually getting Falafal levels of weird.

Wait a minute. I am the one making a big issue out of this? You need some self awareness, buddy.

I’ll synthesize it for you:

No black lady, no Clyburn endorsement

No Clyburn endorsement, no Joe Biden candidacy

No Joe Biden candidacy, lots of Warren/Bernie

Lots of Warren/Bernie, Trumps reelection secured

Trumps reelection secured, horror for the country

Does it automatically make Harris a great VP in practice? Of course not. But it did make her a great VP pick.

So Biden was forced to publicly state he would only pick a black woman because a powerful individual in the democratic party blackmailed him to do so, therefore it was not a DEI pick? That's funny.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Democrats and democratic leaders (along with most of America) agree with my assessment of Harris:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023...la-harris.html

A Wall Street Journal poll taken last month found 73 percent of voters saying that Biden is “too old” to run for reelection. In a contemporaneous AP-NORC survey, 77 percent said the president is too old to be effective for four more years, a majority that included 69 percent of Democrats. A CNN poll released last week produced nearly identical results, with 76 percent of voters expressing concern about Biden’s ability to complete another term and 73 percent expressing fears that the president’s age might negatively affect his physical and mental competence.

Yet most Democratic operatives believe that sticking with Biden is the party’s best option. And it’s hard to argue with this assessment for a simple reason: However bad Biden’s numbers are, Vice-President Kamala Harris’s look worse. A CBS News–YouGov poll released last week found 42 percent of Americans saying that the job Harris is doing makes them think worse of the Biden administration, compared to just 18 percent who said it makes them feel better about the White House. Among independents, 48 percent said worse and only 9 percent better. Even among Democrats, only 41 percent said Harris made them think better of the administration. At the same time, only 30 percent of Democrats said that they felt “enthusiastic” about Harris being Biden’s running mate.

And a long-term drag on the party:

And yet, if Democrats believe that Kamala Harris is not a viable presidential nominee, simply having Biden run again in 2024 does not actually solve that problem. If Harris is an uncompetitive candidate in 2024, odds are she will remain so in 2028, when Democrats will (hopefully) face the historically difficult task of winning a third consecutive presidential term. Nonetheless, it will be even more difficult to defeat Harris in a Democratic primary that year, since she will potentially be America’s incumbent president by 2028; at the very least, she will be a two-term vice-president. Letting Biden run again to avoid nominating Harris does not solve the problem posed by her unpopularity, but merely postpones it. And the longer Democrats put off confronting this problem head-on, the worse it is liable to get.

[fusnik]

Wait a minute. I am the one making a big issue out of this? You need some self awareness, buddy.



So Biden was forced to publicly state he would only pick a black woman because a powerful individual in the democratic party blackmailed him to do so, therefore it was not a DEI pick? That's funny.

Again, you are morphing into Falafal.

You, in hindsight which makes your take even more bonkers, wanted Biden to not signal to his core voting constituency that he would follow through with a campaign promise needed to secure his endorsement from possibly the most powerful AA lawmaker?

This is actually crazy town.

You are conflating her current awfulness with the circumstances that made her the correct pick at the time.

She could have been the perfect choice at that point and a horrible VP now. This is weird.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Again, you are morphing into Falafal.

You, in hindsight which makes your take even more bonkers, wanted Biden to not signal to his core voting constituency that he would follow through with a campaign promise needed to secure his endorsement from possibly the most powerful AA lawmaker?

This is actually crazy town.

You are conflating her current awfulness with the circumstances that made her the correct pick at the time.

She could have been the perfect choice at that point and a horrible VP now. This is weird.

I like Falafel! The dude, and the food.

[falafel]

I like Falafel! The dude, and the food.

from the both of us.

[Bo Diddley]

I like Falafel! The dude, and the food.

[YOhio]

This is a great read.

The current culture confers status and belonging to those who see the world as negatively as possible. Once people learned this, they were going to perceive the world as a Hunger Games–like hellscape.

Tis negativity saturates everything. As The Atlantic’s Derek Tompson noted recently, more than 5,500 podcasts now have the word trauma in their title. Political life is seen through a negative valence. A YouGov survey of 33,000 Americans found that both sides of the political debate believe they are losing. Liberals think the country is moving right; conservatives are convinced that the country is moving left. Whatever your perspective, everything appears to be going downhill.

....

Being negative also helps you appear smart. In a classic 1983 study by the psychologist Teresa Amabile, authors of scathingly negative book reviews were perceived as more intelligent than the authors of positive reviews. Intellectually insecure people tend to be negative because they think it displays their brain power.

Believing in vicious conspiracy theories can also boost your self-esteem: You are the superior mind who sees beneath the surface into the hidden realms where evil cabals really run the world. You have true knowledge of how the world works, which the masses are too naive to see. Conspiracy theories put you in the role of the truth-telling hero. Paranoia is the opiate of those who fear they may be insignificant.

The problem is that if you mess around with negative emotions, negative emotions will mess around with you, eventually taking over your life. Focusing on the negative inflates negativity. As John Tierney and Roy F. Baumeister note in their book The Power of Bad, if you interpret the world through the lens of collective trauma, you may become overwhelmed by self- perpetuating waves of fear, anger, and hate. You’re likely to fall into a neurotic spiral, in which you become more likely to perceive events as negative, which makes you feel terrible, which makes you more alert to threats, which makes you perceive even more negative events, and on and on. Moreover, negativity is extremely contagious. When people around us are pessimistic, indignant, and rageful, we’re soon likely to become that way too. This is how today’s culture has produced mass neuroticism.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...source=twitter

[Bo Diddley]

This is a great read.



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...source=twitter

That's a great perspective and provokes introspection.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That is right on the money.

[PaloAltoCougar]

This is a great read.



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...source=twitter

I just finished Brooks's How to Know a Person. He's very insightful.

[USUC]

I've noticed that most of the "influencers" in the Trump world are laying the seeds of conspiracies to explain their coming loss. Taylor Swift is the reason we lost. The deep state is the reason we lost. The media is the reason we lost. The RINOs are the reason we lost. Etc etc etc. They need to keep their grift going beyond this election cycle and this is their attempt to do so.

[Commando]

I've noticed that most of the "influencers" in the Trump world are laying the seeds of conspiracies to explain their coming loss. Taylor Swift is the reason we lost. The deep state is the reason we lost. The media is the reason we lost. The RINOs are the reason we lost. Etc etc etc. They need to keep their grift going beyond this election cycle and this is their attempt to do so.

Oh yeah that is Trump's whole thing. He practically didn't know what to do when he beat Hilary bc he had already laid the track for his next move by claiming she was cheating and would win. And in 2020 it was all about the mail-in voting how terrible it was blah blah blah. Self fulfilling prophecy, kind of, since he pretty much discouraged his whole base from participating in mail-in voting. Suppressing your own vote? Genius.