2024 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[Commando]

You mean the new blue wall that is AZ, NM and CA? I lived in AZ and I can’t remember one local person talking about the burdens of being a border state until I would turn on CNN/Fox and see a politician talking about it. Most citizens there understand the issue is complex, we need the workforce from Mexico, and that 99% of immigrants crossing are the people you want living next door.

Oh that's probably because you haven't assimilated the personalities of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson just yet. We're 30% latino here in AZ and the migrants without documents work multiple jobs at low wages and are tax payers that aren't eligible for social security. So by my calculation, the 'illegals' are keeping Social Security afloat and lettuce at a good margin for McDonald's. Also keeping crime down by the percentages, since U.S. citizens are 3x as likely to commit a felony. They are very burdensome, though, I'm sure. I just have never heard a good reason why that might be.

[Non Sequitur]

I'm a moderate conservative by anyone's standard. If that's far apart then so be it. Border states are tired of having to deal with the effects of illegal immigration while lawmakers/activists in non-border states and sanctuary cities get to sit on a pedestal and try to dictate policy that really doesn't affect them in the same way. Yes, it was a stunt but it also made a great point.

Unless illegals are streaming in from Georgia or Alabama, Florida is not a border state. DeSanits is a cancer and not a benign cancer. It disappoints me that you would defend him.

[frank ryan]

only illegals though. who cares if any of them were disadvantaged in anyway.

Those people, many of whom were seeking asylum, were tricked and outrightly deceived. Someone who facilitates that lacks morals, and hasn't embraced the concepts contained in the New Testament, which they'd love to force everyone to read.

[Moliere]

If lying to recent immigrants about jobs and dropping them off Martha’s Vineyard (the perfect liberal enclave for maximum cheap political points) makes a great point other than pwning libruls, I’m all ears.

If you gave me an option of living in Brownsville or Martha’s Vineyard, I’d take Martha’s Vineyard every time

[Shaka]

Unless illegals are streaming in from Georgia or Alabama, Florida is not a border state. DeSanits is a cancer and not a benign cancer. It disappoints me that you would defend him.

For this discussion, I consider the states in the Gulf of Mexico border states.

I'm ok with your disappointment.

[Maximus]

For this discussion, I consider the states in the Gulf of Mexico border states.

I'm ok with your disappointment.

So no qualms at all about lying to them?

[Applejack]

If you gave me an option of living in Brownsville or Martha’s Vineyard, I’d take Martha’s Vineyard every time

don’t you basically live in Brownsville????

[falafel]

Oh that's probably because you haven't assimilated the personalities of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson just yet. We're 30% latino here in AZ and the migrants without documents work multiple jobs at low wages and are tax payers that aren't eligible for social security. So by my calculation, the 'illegals' are keeping Social Security afloat and lettuce at a good margin for McDonald's. Also keeping crime down by the percentages, since U.S. citizens are 3x as likely to commit a felony. They are very burdensome, though, I'm sure. I just have never heard a good reason why that might be.

Do they all pay taxes? It seems that if they are here illegally, without the proper work authorizations and without a social security number (or equivalent), they aren't likely to get jobs that require withholding of taxes. Maybe they do and I just don't know how it works. Of course, they are paying local sales tax on things they buy. I don't see that keeping social security afloat.

[Commando]

Do they all pay taxes? It seems that if they are here illegally, without the proper work authorizations and without a social security number (or equivalent), they aren't likely to get jobs that require withholding of taxes. Maybe they do and I just don't know how it works. Of course, they are paying local sales tax on things they buy. I don't see that keeping social security afloat.

Many pay w a TIN, which you don't need much to obtain. I just represented a guy (and won his case cough cough) this morning who has been here since 2004 with nothing who has paid taxes every year since 2004. They all pay sales tax, gas tax, etc. though, like you pointed out.

[Maximus]

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[Northwestcoug]

LOL, he can't even do the Trump with the same lame braggadocio.

[Moliere]

don’t you basically live in Brownsville????

[Moliere]

Oh that's probably because you haven't assimilated the personalities of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson just yet. We're 30% latino here in AZ and the migrants without documents work multiple jobs at low wages and are tax payers that aren't eligible for social security. So by my calculation, the 'illegals' are keeping Social Security afloat and lettuce at a good margin for McDonald's. Also keeping crime down by the percentages, since U.S. citizens are 3x as likely to commit a felony. They are very burdensome, though, I'm sure. I just have never heard a good reason why that might be.

Undocumented workers are keeping social security afloat?? You should run those numbers again.

[Maximus]

Undocumented workers are keeping social security afloat?? You should run those numbers again.

?? do they not pay in?

[Moliere]

?? do they not pay in?

Some might but the amount they pay in is probably minuscule compared to the American workforce.