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  • #16
    10 facts to know about health care reform:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...h-care-reform/
    "I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
    "Hot Lunch posted awhile back on this. He knows more than anyone except for maybe BO."-Seattle Ute

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
      Here's an article that attempts to sum up how the medical industry is responding to the bill:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/bu...%20qacPyzgZdyQ
      Doctors will benefit because of more patients? My clinic is already completely full. Our soonest follow up appt is 1 month away. New appts are four months.

      We don't need more patients.
      "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

      "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
        Here's an article that attempts to sum up how the medical industry is responding to the bill:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/bu...%20qacPyzgZdyQ
        “The big winners are some of the branded pharmaceutical companies who have engaged in these deals and some of the generics who have done the same,” he said. “The big loser is the American consumer, who is going to have to pay an extra $3.5 billion a year in much-needed drugs.”
        You all can come to Canada and buy the exact same drug manufactured in the exact same place for one tenth the price!
        Last edited by tooblue; 03-22-2010, 05:16 AM.

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        • #19
          The flaw being the Americans bear the brunt of the R&D cost so you can enjoy the cheap stuff.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Shaka View Post
            The flaw being the Americans bear the brunt of the R&D cost so you can enjoy the cheap stuff.
            I have heard this, but why is it? Are Canadian's drugs cheaper because of government subsidies or are they actually just cheaper.

            Why the heck would our drug industry sell drugs wholesale cheaper to the Canadians than we do our own people?

            If the Canadians do get our drugs cheaper it is part of the whole world thing that is beginning to really bother me. Other countries can spend far less on defense, because we carry the burden. I hate to think that goes for pharmiceutical (sp) drugs too.

            I am not articulating this well at all, but bottom line is I don't know if being the only free world super power is worth it when you see how much we have to borrow to do it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by byu71 View Post
              I have heard this, but why is it? Are Canadian's drugs cheaper because of government subsidies or are they actually just cheaper.

              Why the heck would our drug industry sell drugs wholesale cheaper to the Canadians than we do our own people?

              If the Canadians do get our drugs cheaper it is part of the whole world thing that is beginning to really bother me. Other countries can spend far less on defense, because we carry the burden. I hate to think that goes for pharmiceutical (sp) drugs too.

              I am not articulating this well at all, but bottom line is I don't know if being the only free world super power is worth it when you see how much we have to borrow to do it.
              Those a really good questions 71 -- yes, you pay more for in the US for drugs made by the same manufacturers. And unfortunately it looks like the pharma's are about to make even more money off the US electorate.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by tooblue View Post
                Those a really good questions 71 -- yes, you pay more for in the US for drugs made by the same manufacturers. And unfortunately it looks like the pharma's are about to make even more money off the US electorate.
                It is getting more and more frustrating for me.

                I hear the democrats demonize corporations here in America, but they are in the pockets of the corporations as much as anyone.

                Obama bad mouths the insurance companies, but I hear they will come out OK. Obama bad mouths the Banks, they are doing fine. Obama bad mouths wall st., Goldman Sachs seems to be doing just fine.

                I don't care even if we go to socialist/capitalism, the power players such as the politicians, media and big corporations will come out just fine. The direction I fear we are going under this democrat agenda is more and more centralized power for the elites.

                We will become more of a country of opportunity will those who have "connections" than one that allows some to move up the class ladder.

                I actually hope a movement gets going in this country that let's the politicians, dem. and repub. know we are onto them. However, with the complicity of the media, I doubt that really ever happens.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                  I have heard this, but why is it? Are Canadian's drugs cheaper because of government subsidies or are they actually just cheaper.

                  Why the heck would our drug industry sell drugs wholesale cheaper to the Canadians than we do our own people?

                  If the Canadians do get our drugs cheaper it is part of the whole world thing that is beginning to really bother me. Other countries can spend far less on defense, because we carry the burden. I hate to think that goes for pharmiceutical (sp) drugs too.

                  I am not articulating this well at all, but bottom line is I don't know if being the only free world super power is worth it when you see how much we have to borrow to do it.
                  supply and demand allows for the higher price in the US.
                  "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

                  "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
                    supply and demand allows for the higher price in the US.
                    Supply and demand is always a good starting point. I am ignorant when it comes to drug production. However, to me it doesn't seem like making pills is like making something from raw materials that are in limited supply.

                    If enough drugs can be made to satisfy Canada's needs and have low costs, why can't we just produce a hell of a lot more of the pills to satisfy US demand.

                    Could US taxes, law suits, or anything else have something to do with it. Can you get sued in Canada for taking a pill. For instance, were settlements in Canada over pills that were found defective as big in Canada as they were in the US.

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                    • #25
                      If you really want to know about the tax and fee side of this legislation, here is a very good document written by people who are experts in taxation:

                      http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-...led_032110.pdf

                      I apologize in advance to those who love Olbermann and Hannity that there is no apparent spin or opinion in the document.
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                        I have heard this, but why is it? Are Canadian's drugs cheaper because of government subsidies or are they actually just cheaper.

                        Why the heck would our drug industry sell drugs wholesale cheaper to the Canadians than we do our own people?
                        because the the marginal cost of producing an extra pill are small so the companies still make money. Canada and other countries get the drugs they just get them way after we do.
                        "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                        "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                        • #27
                          The big winner from this legislation?

                          Blue Cross Blue Shield.

                          Who's going to administrate the exchanges? Blue Cross Blue Shield
                          If the government is subsidizing insurance which insurance will it be? Blue Cross Blue Shield
                          "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                          "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                            because the the marginal cost of producing an extra pill are small so the companies still make money. Canada and other countries get the drugs they just get them way after we do.
                            What do you mean by 'way after?' My uncles in Canada were popping Viagra from day one.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                              What do you mean by 'way after?' My uncles in Canada were popping Viagra from day one.
                              I didnt know viagra is really expensive.
                              "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                              "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                                I didnt know viagra is really expensive.
                                What do you mean by 'way after?' Are there case studies about this?

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