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Last edited by optimomojo; 07-02-2015, 05:08 AM. -
This sounds like the problem. Company A bids really low on the project to win the bid and then, knowing the government has endless amounts of cash, they "realize" later that it cost more to build. Why can't the government build in fixed pricing on these bids? If this were to happen in the real business world heads would be rolling.The program also calls into question whether defense companies are winning contracts by bidding low, only to raise costs later."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf -
Heads did roll kind of. The Program Manager Marine Maj. Gen. David Heinz was removed last month and more than half a billion dollars worth of payments to Lockheed were witheld.Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post"Nobody listens to Turtle."-TurtlesigpicComment
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Wonder why that wasn't included in the article. In any case, at least there was some responsible aaction taken. I hate ti when I hear about these things because it seems like these copmanies use the government as their own piggy bank. There needs to be either fixed price bids or someone in government with adequate experience needs to review cost projections so they become more reasonable.Originally posted by Surfah View Post
On a side note, I bet there are many, many instances where government projects are completed on time adn on budget but for some reason we never hear about those. We only hear about the large projects that are delayed by 2 years and are overbudget by $200 billion."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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I hope that's the case. But I have my doubts.Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
When developing new technologies it's always tough to project costs and time. Add in the fact that you have a handful of contractors building separate parts and it doesn't take much of a delay to set things back considerably. It's a shame that these fighter jets are going to cost so much now, but at least some of that is being shouldered by several other countries. We certainly have the most skin in this though."Nobody listens to Turtle."-TurtlesigpicComment
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This is an interesting editorial from the Air Force Assoc. mag about the f-35 in particular and major weapons programs in general
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Mag.../1209edit.aspx
FTR I don't think we should have stopped production of the F-22 and we definately "need" the F-35, if for nothing else new air frames.
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Interesting. Thanks for the link. I agree that the F-22 should not have been stopped.Originally posted by happyone View Post
Like the article suggests with the precarious situation that Gates may have put us in, we're going to swallow a big pill to get the F-35 out. I really hope the contractors aren't simply gouging us for that."Nobody listens to Turtle."-TurtlesigpicComment
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Damn the contract officer should have put OnStar in the requirements package.Comment
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Is this a real story? I have seen chatter but it was so outrageous I was wondering if it was made up.Originally posted by YOhio View Post
For those wondering, a pilot ejected from an F-35 and they can't find it. Soliciting the public's help."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Mystery solved. I'm sure a group of intrepid youth were somehow involved in the discovery.
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I read somewhere they're retrofitting the F-35 fleet with Apple AirTags.Originally posted by YOhio View PostComment
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I've seen this comment around. Like haha this one little $20 tracker could solve what seems to be a massive, albeit rare, problem. The thing is there are a few problems with this line of thinking.Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
First, the F-35 program office could go to Apple Store and buy 1000 AirTags to put in all the F-35 planes. But then how would Lockheed/Boeing/Raytheon/Northrup or any of the other big primes make any money? Doesn't seem like that will work.
Second, they could maybe use one of the prime's to make the acquisition. The prime could get an SMB to make the purchase, tacking on a healthy passthrough. The SMB sells the AirTag to the govt at $19 (the only amount in which the prime's 70% pass-through is approved) and the prime gets to check off their SMB setaside quota.
Okay but Apple does source from China and that's, to use my favorite meaningless term, problematic. So the government could put out requirements for an AirTag equivalent product with strict Buy American Act provisions or, at a minimum, disclose whatever component was made at a factory that also produces Huawei or Hikvision products. Like how they do with peanuts and dairy. They should definitely use a prime for this project. So this way the prime can contract out the design, engineering, product development and manufacture of a much worse version of a $20 COTS item. But they can sell it to the government for thousands per tag and also require them to pay for perpetual support, at least a couple dozen butts in seats to support something so important.
Please next time before you make a joke next time please be considerate of the MIC. Jokes like this seem to imply it's okay that they won't make money from a transaction that would benefit the military. Too far, bro.Comment
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