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  • #91
    Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    with all due respect I think you are letting your emotions overcome your argument. Be honest, not all women who go into porn go in due duress. Not all of them were molested as a kid. The Barely legal stuff is actors who are all over 18 and who are made to look like they are "barely 18" This article talks about it.

    I think everyone agrees that the exploitation of minors 17 and younger is the most despicable thing around today. However, to say that all people in porn were exploited or abused as minors is just plain inaccurate. People who go into porn do it for a variety of reasons.
    You don't have to believe me, you can believe a former porn actress. Of course she's likely very emotional also:

    Most strippers, prostitutes and porn actresses are adult survivors of child sexual abuse “acting out” their learned behavior from childhood. They will insist their childhood sexual abuse has nothing to do with their decision to work in the sex industry but it’s just not true. Mary Anne Layden, Ph. D., Director for Women's Psychological Health in Philadelphia states in a powerful way:

    "Most strippers, as with other women who work in the sex industry, are adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse. Research indicates the number is between 60%-80%. One study found that 35% of strippers have Multiple Personality Disorder, 55% had Borderline Personality Disorder, and 60% had Major Depressive Episodes, These are severe psychiatric problems and many of them are connected to childhood sexual abuse. These are women who when they were little girls would get into their beds each night and roll themselves into a fetal position and every night he would come in and peel her open. The physical and visual invasion of little girl's bodies damages them psychologically and gives them a psychologically unhealthy view of sexuality. Often as adults they reenact their childhood trauma by working as strippers, Playboy models, and prostitutes. The men who, now as customers, physically and visually invade the adult women's bodies, reenact the role of the perpetrator. These women work in the sex industry because it feels like home."

    Shelley lubben

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    • #92
      Originally posted by The Rambam View Post
      Tips are different than images. The number of tips cited by your study is going up significantly. But it could very well be (I'd day probably is) due to the increase of internet hosting and accessibility in the third world resulting in previously existing child pornography being shown more often on more sites resulting in more tips.

      An increase in tips does not automaticly mean an increase in child porn. You are not being logical here.
      What I am logically asserting is that the numbers show that the increase in tips means that the EXISTING vast quantities of child porn have a greater distribution than ever before ... that child porn and abuse is pervasive and rampant in all third world and so called modern societies ... and that we are only now being exposed to it because of the technology!
      Last edited by tooblue; 12-07-2008, 06:57 AM.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by The Rambam View Post
        The John's Hopkins map was silly. It cites cases of "women and children" with "some as young as 14" and the like. Does that mean there was one 14 year old girl with 198 adult Mexican women in the raided San Antonio brothel? Every instance is horrible, but from that map we can't tell if there are a handful of cases represented or hundreds. The map is designed not to give accurate data but rather to excite the excitable.

        The fact that a lawyer put it together means the wording was most likely chosen carefully to put the facts in the worst possible light.
        You can check out the qualifications of the creators of the map, along with other interesting information here:

        http://www.protectionproject.org

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        • #94
          Originally posted by The Rambam View Post
          I don't think you understand what constitutes evidence. The tips data might have nothing to do with rates of child exploitation and certainly do not represent lockstep movement. Think of it this way: If the internet was shut down for a year, there would be no tips of child pornography on the internet that year. But somewhere someone probably would make some child porn that year. Get it?
          You are so bent on proving me wrong that you do not understand the evidence placed before you. You're argument here only underscores what I have been saying ... that the problem is pervasive and rampant and that only now with the aid of the technology are we discovering it. Ergo my evidence and even your post here directly supports my contention!

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          • #95
            Originally posted by tooblue View Post
            You don't have to believe me, you can believe a former porn actress. Of course she's likely very emotional also:
            You can read more By Mary Anne Layden, Ph. D.

            Dr. Layden is Director of Education, Center for Cognitive Therapy, Department of Psychiatry, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA; and Director, Social Action Committee for Women's Psychological Health, Philadelphia.

            http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/laydenhealthy.cfm

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            • #96
              Originally posted by tooblue View Post
              You can read more By Mary Anne Layden, Ph. D.

              Dr. Layden is Director of Education, Center for Cognitive Therapy, Department of Psychiatry, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA; and Director, Social Action Committee for Women's Psychological Health, Philadelphia.

              http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/laydenhealthy.cfm
              But she's likely too emotional also!

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              • #97
                tooblue, thanks for sharing these links. I also appreciate your willingness to discuss such a personal topic.
                Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                  DDD is on to something. Is Tooblue's problem with porn, or the porn industry?

                  For the sake of argument, lets assume that Tooblue's assertions are correct, and the industry is steeped in child prostitution. Would Tooblue then be comfortable with an insider circuit of porn loving friends making non-commercial pornography for private distribution among themselves?

                  Porn and the Porn Industry are really two separate issues.
                  Tooblue,

                  Why no response to this? Porn and the Porn Industry are two separate issues, and you are doing an admirable job drawing connections between the industry and the sexual violence that has been perpetrated against many of its participants. But what about porn itself, separate from ethical problems of the industry? What about the mountains of porn that is made and distributed outside of the industry?

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                  • #99
                    Since JL is boasting that this is Resurrect One of the Dude's Classic Foyer Threads Week, and because it really hasn't come up this Conference, I went back and found this doozy, one that Sledgirl? never got to comment on. So, I summon her:



                    In all sincerity, SIEQ's really excellent explanation on page 3 is why I chose this Dude Thread, among the many noble and great ones.
                    "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      You have to read the article for that. I think the author does a decent job of balancing both viewpoints on that particular question. There is not really a single quote that would fairly summarize the discussion.
                      If it's not in the review, it's a tree falling in the forest.
                      τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                      • Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        Since JL is boasting that this is Resurrect One of the Dude's Classic Foyer Threads Week, and because it really hasn't come up this Conference, I went back and found this doozy, one that Sledgirl? never got to comment on. So, I summon her:



                        In all sincerity, SIEQ's really excellent explanation on page 3 is why I chose this Dude Thread, among the many noble and great ones.


                        Wow.... um.... interesting thread . Looks like pornography was (is) an emotional topic around here -- and not just for tooblue. Funniest thing is that I didn't realize this was an old thread until I got to the summon Rosebud card. I was seriously worried about what had happened to rationality on this subject. Interesting read and incredible post SIEQ......

                        BTW, IMO the emotions (from both sides) were just as valuable as the rational points.


                        Wuap.... these cards are cracking me up. What next? Are you bored?

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                        • The best thing about this thread is that it's only four pages long but contains a pentuple post by ER and a sextuple post by tooblue.
                          That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

                          http://twitter.com/SoonerCoug

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                          • I think porn is really a function of how fat and out of shape your wife is. If the Church wants to control porn, they should talk about health, well being and proper eating habits.

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                            • Originally posted by Viking View Post
                              I think porn is really a function of how fat and out of shape your wife is. If the Church wants to control porn, they should talk about health, well being and proper eating habits.
                              "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                              • Originally posted by Viking View Post
                                I think porn is really a function of how fat and out of shape your wife is. If the Church wants to control porn, they should talk about health, well being and proper eating habits.
                                Signed,

                                Archaea

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