Creator of CIA torture interrogations becomes Bishop

[Jeff Lebowski]

A friend of mine told me that it's the opposite. Apparently, Mormon guilt rears its ugly head and has people either confessing to stealing a candy bar when they were five or gives a false positive because they feel guilty about stealing that candy bar.

lol @ Uncle Ted. He seems to be projecting his own interview experience.

[Uncle Ted]

lol @ Uncle Ted. He seems to be projecting his own interview experience.

Yeah, I think a few of my former stake presidents worked for the CIA.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yeah, I think a few of my former stake presidents worked for the CIA.

They saw right through your bullshit answers?

[Uncle Ted]

They saw right through your bullshit answers?

More to do with the torturing side than the interrogation.

[clackamascoug]

lol @ Uncle Ted. He seems to be projecting his own interview experience.

I took a polygraph in '86. They came back and asked if I was a Mormon. When I answered yes, they laughed and said that the owner of the polygraph company was a mormon too, and he couldn't pass a series of questions either. They explained that many Mormons have a trigger of incredulousness when being asked about honesty that shows up the same as a reaction of guilt. They laughed and went on to say that Mormons must carry a lot of guilt.

[Solon]

Call me crazy, but it also might have a little bit to do with the fact that LDS people in general have international experience, foreign language skills, and a strong sense of patriotism.

Sure. These are all good points.
Also, you are crazy.

[YOhio]

In general I'm against torture but if I needed answers now to save America from imminent destruction then I wouldn't think twice. I'd start with a bullet to the kneecap so the terrorist would know I wasn't fucking around. He'd probably laugh in my face and say it was too late and the plans have already been set in motion. I'd be like, 'I don't have time for this shit, Ahmed. Tell me where the bombs are hidden." Then I'd cap him in the other knee and dangle a syringe full of morphine in front of him. Couple minutes and he'd be singing like a bird while America is saved in the nick of time, even though her citizens would never fully appreciate the danger. If anyone asked me why I did what I did I'd bash the desk jockeys back at hq and just say that I did what had to be done and didn't fear the consequences.

[PaloAltoCougar]

In general I'm against torture but if I needed answers now to save America from imminent destruction then I wouldn't think twice. I'd start with a bullet to the kneecap so the terrorist would know I wasn't fucking around. He'd probably laugh in my face and say it was too late and the plans have already been set in motion. I'd be like, 'I don't have time for this shit, Ahmed. Tell me where the bombs are hidden." Then I'd cap him in the other knee and dangle a syringe full of morphine in front of him. Couple minutes and he'd be singing like a bird while America is saved in the nick of time, even though her citizens would never fully appreciate the danger. If anyone asked me why I did what I did I'd bash the desk jockeys back at hq and just say that I did what had to be done and didn't fear the consequences.

Let me be your Chloe. I can bite my lip, cast furtive glances at my co-workers and grimace with the best of them.

[Nakoma]

In general I'm against torture but if I needed answers now to save America from imminent destruction then I wouldn't think twice. I'd start with a bullet to the kneecap so the terrorist would know I wasn't fucking around. He'd probably laugh in my face and say it was too late and the plans have already been set in motion. I'd be like, 'I don't have time for this shit, Ahmed. Tell me where the bombs are hidden." Then I'd cap him in the other knee and dangle a syringe full of morphine in front of him. Couple minutes and he'd be singing like a bird while America is saved in the nick of time, even though her citizens would never fully appreciate the danger. If anyone asked me why I did what I did I'd bash the desk jockeys back at hq and just say that I did what had to be done and didn't fear the consequences.

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[old_gregg]

In general I'm against torture but if I needed answers now to save America from imminent destruction then I wouldn't think twice. I'd start with a bullet to the kneecap so the terrorist would know I wasn't fucking around. He'd probably laugh in my face and say it was too late and the plans have already been set in motion. I'd be like, 'I don't have time for this shit, Ahmed. Tell me where the bombs are hidden." Then I'd cap him in the other knee and dangle a syringe full of morphine in front of him. Couple minutes and he'd be singing like a bird while America is saved in the nick of time, even though her citizens would never fully appreciate the danger. If anyone asked me why I did what I did I'd bash the desk jockeys back at hq and just say that I did what had to be done and didn't fear the consequences.

WE WANT YOHIO ON THAT WALL. WE NEED YOHIO ON THAT WALL.

[thesaint258]

Let me be your Chloe. I can bite my lip, cast furtive glances at my co-workers and grimace with the best of them.

Can you also make meaningless typing look meaningful?

[Solon]

In general I'm against torture but if I needed answers now to save America from imminent destruction then I wouldn't think twice. I'd start with a bullet to the kneecap so the terrorist would know I wasn't fucking around. He'd probably laugh in my face and say it was too late and the plans have already been set in motion. I'd be like, 'I don't have time for this shit, Ahmed. Tell me where the bombs are hidden." Then I'd cap him in the other knee and dangle a syringe full of morphine in front of him. Couple minutes and he'd be singing like a bird while America is saved in the nick of time, even though her citizens would never fully appreciate the danger. If anyone asked me why I did what I did I'd bash the desk jockeys back at hq and just say that I did what had to be done and didn't fear the consequences.

I dunno. I picture YOhio more along the lines of a skinny Iraqi calling Mark Wahlberg "bro" & "my main man" a lot while asking him "what is the problem with Michael Jackson" before pouring oil into his mouth.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Can you also make meaningless typing look meaningful?

I can! And I'm pretty sure I'm getting some rad Goth eye makeup for Christmas.

[RC Vikings]

Let me be your Chloe. I can bite my lip, cast furtive glances at my co-workers and grimace with the best of them.

Just help YOhio identify the moles, they seem to be everywhere and I don't either one of you two being shipped off the china or Russia.

[Topper]

In general I'm against torture but if I needed answers now to save America from imminent destruction then I wouldn't think twice. I'd start with a bullet to the kneecap so the terrorist would know I wasn't fucking around. He'd probably laugh in my face and say it was too late and the plans have already been set in motion. I'd be like, 'I don't have time for this shit, Ahmed. Tell me where the bombs are hidden." Then I'd cap him in the other knee and dangle a syringe full of morphine in front of him. Couple minutes and he'd be singing like a bird while America is saved in the nick of time, even though her citizens would never fully appreciate the danger. If anyone asked me why I did what I did I'd bash the desk jockeys back at hq and just say that I did what had to be done and didn't fear the consequences.

You said what many are afraid to voice. The torture tactics by the CIA were too docile. It appears that although they suffered mentally and were physically discomforted, which in our modern tradition is unseemly, but that they did not fear death or disfigurement. In cultures that don't shun torture, there is real, prolonged disfigurement, loss of limb and ultimately loss of life. If torture is capable of extracting information from people who had vital information, that is the only form likely to reveal it. It may be that no form extracts reliable information. I am not in a position to know. However, as you stated, your scenario is very plausible for many people.